From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <320095285153-0001@t-online.de> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,FROM_LOCAL_DIGITS, FROM_LOCAL_HEX,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by cvs.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE571ACF4 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.com by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14H8ie-0000wk-08; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:14:32 +0100 Received: from helios.bagwan (320095285153-0001@[217.80.45.64]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14H8iP-2EHOpkC; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:14:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 6595 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jan 2001 20:55:00 -0000 Received: from sadchitananda2.bagwan (HELO gottinger.de) (achim@192.168.2.1) by helios.bagwan with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 20:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <3A5F42F8.66189193@gottinger.de> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:46:32 +0100 From: 320095285153-0001@t-online.de (Achim Gottinger) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python Probs References: <20010111203238.A12571@cvs.gentoo.org> <20010111223449.A11743@kabbu.akopia.com> <20010111203921.C12571@cvs.gentoo.org> <3A5EB8DD.FEE266C4@gottinger.de> <20010112033108.A28324@kabbu.akopia.com> <3A5ED76B.B5A9B4FF@gottinger.de> <20010112095652.F20711@cvs.gentoo.org> <3A5F3247.66C99DA7@gottinger.de> <20010112101211.I20711@cvs.gentoo.org> <3A5F3894.43CF8A0F@gottinger.de> <20010112105046.K20711@cvs.gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320095285153-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Reply-To: drobbins@gentoo.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux development list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 1e730f6f-be25-4d26-8e47-6cfb4647afe2 X-Archives-Hash: 205ca1083f7ab62e054da3331b3085d3 drobbins@gentoo.org wrote: > On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:02:12PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote: > > > I allways thought sys contains everything required to build itself and > > everythin required for a minimum runtime system. perl is needed to build > > some of the sys packages, thats why it is there. python is not required for > > building and not for runtime, so it is not there. > > You are correct that if we need a package that's used in rebuilding the system, > it's included in sys. But, this isn't the *only* way we select packages for > sys. All the packages in sys-devel, sys-apps, sys-kernel and sys-libs make up > the "base" system. My goals for the base system are to provide a reasonably > complete, fully-functional basic Linux system. There are a lot of things in > sys that aren't really needed, such as man pages and the "bc" utility. You wanted a full set of man-pages in sys and I found that it is usefull even on a minimum system because it is needed if something in the compilation goes wrong. bc is required for compilation of a few packages I think if not we can drop it. > But > they're included because they are useful and popular things that are very > helpful to Linux users (and expected to be available). Rather than think of > sys as "everything required for a minimum runtime system", think of it as > "everything you'd expect to find in a basic but fully-functional (and useful) > console-based Linux system". Hmm, rmm, no. sys is the nucleus that is able to reproduce itself and the core for everythin else. Otherwise we must include tcsh/wget/cvs/telnet....... And finaly our sys is 500MB big. Your idea of a minimum system is something I always hated on SuSE. If I wanted a real minimum sytsem I had to remove dozends of for my situation really unneeded packages after installing what they called minimum-system. Why not continue like we did it in the past and add usefull packages from other categories to the sys.tbz2? > If someone needs a "stripped sys" (for a special > project), it's easy enough to remove the packages that aren't needed (or use a > build list to avoid building/merging them in the first place). > > > If you insist in having python in sys.tbz2 I can include a version compiled > > without use tcl-tk in the sys.tbz2 but dev-lang is the place. :-) > > Well, one of the nice things about being the Chief Architect is that I never > need to insist :) Is this the way you think about partnership? I spend nearly every day last year to gentoo-linux (Had earned enogh money last year to be able to do that) and I always (beside our discussions about xml/ebuild :-) ) found you are able to discuss things out. > I'll wait for further comments. The two alternatives I'm > considering are the python-x11 package Can't the X/tc-tk support be compiled as a separate module? > and the "rebuild it for X support" > solution. With "use tc-tk X" ? > > > Best Regards, > > -- > Daniel Robbins > President/CEO http://www.gentoo.org > Gentoo Technologies, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > gentoo-dev mailing list > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org > http://www.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev