From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C7E58973 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B3B221C06C; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25EBD21C008 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2a00:f41:3079:c282:241d:d0ce:7207:4470] (unknown [IPv6:2a00:f41:3079:c282:241d:d0ce:7207:4470]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88D29340A36; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:25:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20160210142750.GA20350@waltdnes.org> References: <56B85B06.7020500@gentoo.org> <20160208134606.3a497035.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20160209192652.GO7732@vapier.lan> <20160210050958.GV7732@vapier.lan> <20160210142750.GA20350@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changing order of default virtual/udev provider From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:25:35 +0100 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org,waltdnes@waltdnes.org Message-ID: <3A1FB20E-F31F-4C2A-BEA8-57572FAF89DF@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: afab8e14-e3ef-48da-aa76-4f5c7f5aa2d0 X-Archives-Hash: cbb9f8545e7b04b0d9bb0e176cf4b997 Dnia 10 lutego 2016 15:27:50 CET, waltdnes@waltdnes.org napisał(a): >On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:09:58AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote >> On 09 Feb 2016 22:39, Duncan wrote: >> > Mike Frysinger posted on Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:26:52 -0500 as >excerpted: >> > > On 08 Feb 2016 13:46, Micha?? Górny wrote: >> > >> I'm strongly against this, because: >> > > >> > > agreed. i also don't see any reasons in Patrick's e-mail to >suggest the >> > > current default is inadequate. "i don't like upstream" isn't >relevant. >> > >> > I'd agree, except that the way we're running udev is strongly >discouraged >> > and generally not supported by upstream, with a statement that it >/will/ >> > break in the future, it's simply a matter of time. >> >> start a thread then when that actually happens > > The problem with that approach is that all at once the Gentoo forum >will be hit with questions by a whole bunch of people who will have to >migrate to either eudev or systemd on a short deadline. As the old >saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I >believe >that the best way to handle a crisis is to prevent it in the first >place. That means getting into a lifeboat before standalone udev >sinks. Wasn't the switch supported to be painless? -- Best regards, Michał Górny (by phone)