From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from enron.intra.logicunited.com (unknown [195.27.249.139]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2314DABAEF for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:38:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from icebox.home.nikwest.de (dsl-213-023-007-106.arcor-ip.net [213.23.7.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by enron.intra.logicunited.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5611217275F for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:38:51 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] State of Developement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Dominik Westner To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020826192857.GA15770@orange-pc.ces.clemson.edu> Message-Id: <36515F00-B93C-11D6-BD0D-000393823B30@logicunited.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 28da511c-53d1-436c-a2b0-c58fab5768a8 X-Archives-Hash: 05782a9b29adaa9ff233397bb5e061c4 Well, first let me say that Gentoo is the first Linux distribution I really like. It's not yet perfect but it's getting there. It's also the first distribution I would like to get involved more. I have submitted some ebuilds and most of the ended up in portage quite quickly. Some have been reworked a little bit, which I appreciate a lot, because you see how to make it better. About some (very few) I never heard back (e.g. Darwin Streaming Server). I don't know why, but maybe nobody cared about the packages. I also submitted bug reports and got lots of feedback. So I am very happy about this, even if so far none of my suggestions made it into the system, which is ok, because I feel that the people are really busy with other things and for me it's easy to setup the system the way I like it. On Montag, August 26, 2002, at 09:28 PM, Grant Goodyear wrote: >> And they have to go through a specific set of privileged people. > > True, although to the best of my knowledge all distributions have > a similar system. I don't think it will ever make sense to > provide CVS write access to all users; it's simply too easy to > mess things up. Goodness knows that our developers regularly > manage to render Gentoo uninstallable, and they're trying very > hard not to do that. Our system isn't perfect, but I'm not sure > what would be better. One cool think, I would really like to see is a public read/write third-party portage tree (simillar the way PORTDIR_OVERLAY works now locally). This would not be checked by default, but one could enable it. Once ebuilds stabilize they could be moved from there into the main portage tree. This would take the burden from the core team to do QA and rework submitted ebuilds. And people submitting ebuilds would get much more feedback. And the maintainer would be the person, who submitted the ebuild not somebody from the core team ;-) I guess we could do that right now by setting up a sf project and hack the portage tools. (or simply use PORTDIR_OVERLAY for this purpose). > >> Q: Can I help, can I help >> A: Sure, you can take out the trash and scrub the toilets. > > Well, right now that's pretty much what the developers are doing, > too. Our biggest need for help right now is good bug reports and > help with existing bugs. The only major "development" that is > ocurring right now is portage and some people starting to work on > a sensible installer. Everything else is really bug fixing of > one sort or another. Please, no installer ;-) The way of installing gentoo is so simple and straight forward, I could not imagine an easier install. Dominik