From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1735E1381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FAE6E0995; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.164]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465A3E0974 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.137] (helo=smtp6.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WrsIk-0006cO-Mn for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:15:06 +0200 Received: from 53579160.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.145.96] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp6.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WrsIk-00089V-A2 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:15:06 +0200 Received: from andromeda.localnet (unknown [10.20.13.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C009A4C for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 19:14:25 +0200 (CEST) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3480410.9XpNYHKfdy@andromeda> Organization: Antarean User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (Linux/3.12.20-gentoo; KDE/4.12.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <538DD1AA.8070804@gentoo.org> References: <5383A0E6.3020700@gentoo.org> <20140603154000.6c8e0372@gentoo.org> <538DD1AA.8070804@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Ziggo-spambar: ---- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -4.8 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,PROLO_TRUST_RDNS=-3,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982,TW_JS=0.077 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: 3c06aca7-4ba6-44d8-b4b3-da20f580b1b3 X-Archives-Hash: f9352e89d531a6402ad7a8e7c71c0222 On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 04:46:18 PM Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 03/06/14 16:40, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300 > > > > Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote: > >>> Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag; > >> > >> No, it doesn't. > > > > Nevermind, `cvs up`-ed; heh, I don't understand how you've got to > > that change, I thought there only was a problem with 0.99.0? > > > >>> in comparison, 0.99.0 mainly wants you to run it with systemd: > >> "mainly", as in, since 0.99.0 removed support for hibenate/suspend > >> in favour of systemd, the power/session managers need to integrate > >> their own hibernate/suspend support diffently. > > > > Ah, right; thinking of MATE, I understand the 0.99.0 bit now. > > > >>> 26 May 2014; Samuli Suominen > >>> upower-0.99.0.ebuild: This release is mainly for use with > >>> sys-apps/systemd because upstream removed support for > >>> sys-power/pm-utils completely from git master. The 0.9 branch is > >>> > >>> for sys-power/pm-utils use. Adjust ebuild accordingly. > >>> > >>> Though I'm a bit confused why 0.99.0 doesn't list a systemd > >>> dependency; I thought it had one, but maybe it is in another > >>> package I'm unaware of. > >> > >> Outdated ChangeLog entry from March, those were the facts we dealt > >> back then, > >> only partly true anymore, consumers have evolved > > > > Which means that the situation I am assuming right now is outdated; so, > > if you don't mind feel free to highlight why 0.9.23-r3 needs systemd. > > To prevent OpenRC users from installing this version because it's > an old UPower with no pm-utils support, with no hibernate/suspend support, > to ensure desktops don't end up with greyed out Hibernate/Suspend > buttons > To direct users to upower-pm-utils, or upower-0.99.0, or plain pm-utils, or > other > To indicate OpenRC users can't stay with sys-power/upower older than 0.99.0 > because they are going away, to indicate this is the best time to make > informed decision and take manual action regarding choosing which > features set he/she wants, to read up upstream announcements regarding > UPower, to follow-up and do what admins do All this should have been in a news item, BEFORE it got stabilized. -- Joost