From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9903B138CCF for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5F03E084B; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.syndicat.com (mail.syndicat.com [62.146.89.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB635E0825 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=syndicat.com; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=dbqxosCqPaSEIehw4CcjdqqwX0OMugMQf5v3mckz1CY=; b=sGIwY1pEF4XSn6NumrCsWI7Bq8a5jqCGmGfJ5bsycre8dDV2NbLdoGDW7JSgtAGhyy4DUp3v48OG+vzw5SbzjU5XmJdQgPxBgXBbwTcPc7+pAxcw3+FFIcVYa6mqeIkNCA3lLPeST6BdvY0AWrBaKqOL2M/Ddrsx1R9+66hplVA=; Received: from localhost.syndicat.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by mail.syndicat.com with esmtp (Syndicat.com PostHamster 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys9jN-0005DC-1g for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:56:17 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at syndicat.com Received: from mail.syndicat.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.syndicat.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UbZO421-zrnw for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:56:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from p50875a67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.135.90.103] helo=gongo.localnet) by mail.syndicat.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Syndicat.com PostHamster 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys9jM-000765-PC for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:56:16 +0200 From: Niels Dettenbach To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:56:10 +0200 Message-ID: <3259531.tMhc84yLJL@gongo> Organization: Syndicat IT&Internet User-Agent: KMail/4.14.6 (Linux/4.0.1-niels; KDE/4.14.7; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <20150512051934.GA2905@angelfall> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3259531.UEVjBfDxQI"; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 79cc291a-4a91-4045-ad6b-0deaf9c9e921 X-Archives-Hash: 4aa5998b0be45c8207c2e1b027b21552 --nextPart3259531.UEVjBfDxQI Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2015, 06:26:41 schrieb Rich Freeman: > I find email an incredibly frustrating experience all-around. It > works great as long as everybody doesn't use anybody for hosting who > isn't in the top-10 provider list, and doesn't use a mailing list. This is NOT true! Our mail systems (we are under "top 10.000" to "100.000" i assume) have= a top=20 (and sometimes better) "reputation" and there is NO mail from our custo= mers=20 (except for real (!) abusive mail, if not blocked by us before) which i= s NOT=20 reaching any working mail ISP on this globe and vice versa and our cust= omers=20 have a very good anti spam satisfaction as requested from us typically.= The=20 did not want to waste lifetime for handling spam or requesting reciever= s for=20 "is my mail arrived yet" or similiar stuff - but do pay for such a serv= ice. And there still ARE many others out who work at the same quality level,= even=20 on other customer fields, but there still ARE peoples offering mail ser= vice=20 without knowing what they doing - independent from their cheap or expen= sive=20 pricings. And there are some even "no-cost" providers out able to do th= at too=20 (usually financing by service extensions or ads) - but usually larger t= hen. The ONLY requirement is a mail provider who does his job at an professi= onal=20 level . means: he has an admin who knows what he is doing and has the t= ime to=20 do that regularly. I remember many MS Exchange installations acting as = MX /=20 SMTP / MTA for a hand full of users - just setting up an Mailserver is = easy,=20 but running a reliable mail service is more then setup and let it run..= . Email - as a major application "part" of the "internet" - is a complex=20= ecosystem today and it takes ressources as such - like i.e. in full tab= le BGP=20 where it is usually a bad idea to run a full table BGP router with typi= cal=20 higher availability requirements byself without an competent person ava= ilable=20 24/7/365 for it (but there are manies doing this until today too and wo= nder if=20 it results in bad customer satisfaction...). But the time where "i set up a public internet mail server today" from = zero is=20 over - and i'm not very frustrated about this, because WE as the mail=20= providers had to fiddle with the crap and misconfigs of others plus the= ir=20 resulting abusive traffic. just my two cents, Niels. =20 =2D-=20 --- Niels Dettenbach Syndicat IT & Internet http://www.syndicat.com PGP: https://syndicat.com/pub_key.asc --- =20 --nextPart3259531.UEVjBfDxQI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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