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From: Niels Dettenbach <nd@syndicat.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:56:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3259531.tMhc84yLJL@gongo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_=Gs_xa4JYBCZv5m4NPi1npdn1dc5k+XYmAt9fPq1B=6g@mail.gmail.com>

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Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2015, 06:26:41 schrieb Rich Freeman:
> I find email an incredibly frustrating experience all-around.  It
> works great as long as everybody doesn't use anybody for hosting who
> isn't in the top-10 provider list, and doesn't use a mailing list.
This is NOT true!

Our mail systems (we are under "top 10.000" to "100.000" i assume) have a top 
(and sometimes better) "reputation" and there is NO mail from our customers 
(except for real (!) abusive mail, if not blocked by us before) which is NOT 
reaching any working mail ISP on this globe and vice versa and our customers 
have a very good anti spam satisfaction as requested from us typically. The 
did not want to waste lifetime for handling spam or requesting recievers for 
"is my mail arrived yet" or similiar stuff - but do pay for such a service.

And there still ARE many others out who work at the same quality level, even 
on other customer fields, but there still ARE peoples offering mail service 
without knowing what they doing - independent from their cheap or expensive 
pricings. And there are some even "no-cost" providers out able to do that too 
(usually financing by service extensions or ads) - but usually larger then.

The ONLY requirement is a mail provider who does his job at an professional 
level . means: he has an admin who knows what he is doing and has the time to 
do that regularly. I remember many MS Exchange installations acting as MX / 
SMTP / MTA for a hand full of users - just setting up an Mailserver is easy, 
but running a reliable mail service is more then setup and let it run...

Email - as a major application "part" of the "internet" - is a complex 
ecosystem today and it takes ressources as such - like i.e. in full table BGP 
where it is usually a bad idea to run a full table BGP router with typical 
higher availability requirements byself without an competent person available 
24/7/365 for it (but there are manies doing this until today too and wonder if 
it results in bad customer satisfaction...).

But the time where "i set up a public internet mail server today" from zero is 
over - and i'm not very frustrated about this, because WE as the mail 
providers had to fiddle with the crap and misconfigs of others plus their 
resulting abusive traffic.

just my two cents,


Niels.

 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-12 12:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-11  4:26 [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11  7:29 ` Eray Aslan
2015-05-11  9:15   ` Tobias Klausmann
2015-05-11 19:31   ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-11 19:35     ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2015-05-11 20:01       ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-11 20:08     ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 20:47       ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-12  5:19         ` Eray Aslan
2015-05-12 10:26           ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-12 10:39             ` Peter Stuge
2015-05-12 12:56             ` Niels Dettenbach [this message]
2015-05-11  9:38 ` Tony Vroon
2015-05-11 10:09 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 20:36   ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-12  7:18     ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 12:39 ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-11 12:47   ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 20:27   ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 13:27 ` Charles Nérot
2015-05-11 13:37   ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 13:59     ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 14:44       ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 14:59         ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 15:21           ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 16:17             ` Alexis Ballier
2015-05-11 16:20               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2015-05-11 16:32                 ` Alexis Ballier
2015-05-11 16:38                 ` Michał Górny
2015-05-11 16:25               ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 16:19             ` Matthew Thode
2015-05-11 16:55             ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 17:06               ` C Bergström
2015-05-23  6:18       ` J. Roeleveld
2015-05-23  6:24         ` C Bergström
2015-05-23 11:05           ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-23  6:39         ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23  7:54           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2015-05-23  8:01         ` [gentoo-dev] " James Le Cuirot
2015-05-23 11:16         ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 12:32           ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-23 13:07             ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 13:34               ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 14:20                 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 14:32                   ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 15:36                     ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 14:23                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2015-05-23 14:29                   ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 16:24                     ` Mike Frysinger
2015-05-11 21:10   ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-12  8:37 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] " Mike Frysinger
2015-05-12  8:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Amadeusz Żołnowski

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