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From: Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:58:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2d7c28d6-7652-1596-3234-ea48f1bc35e9@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C539BAAA-4BEE-4BBC-8EFD-042AE8B7D0BF@gentoo.org>


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On 09/13/2018 07:36 AM, Richard Yao wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Thomas Deutschmann <whissi@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-09-12 16:50, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> There is also the case where we want these warnings to block
>>> installation, because the risk of there being a problem is too great.
>>
>> I really disagree with that. So many devs have already said multiple
>> times in this thread that "-Werror" is only turning existing warnings
>> into fatal errors but "-Werror" itself doesn't add any new checks and
>> more often requires "-O3" to be useful.
> The way that compilers work is that the warnings are generated in the front end while the optimization level affects the backend. That means that -O3 has no effect on the code that does error generation. This remark about -O3 being needed to make -Werror useful is just plain wrong. 
I had a discussion off list about this. My remarks on this were
incorrect. However, I strongly disagree that -O3 is necessary for
diagnostics to be useful.
>> So let's turn this around: Please show us a *real* case within Gentoo
>> where "-Werror" prevented a real problem which wouldn't otherwise being
>> noticed. E.g. show us a package which was merged on user's system,
>> replacing a working previous version of that package causing *real*
>> problems which could have been prevented if package would have set
>> "-Werror".
>>
>> Unless you can do that we don't really need to discuss this. Simply
>> because everyone interested in "-Werror" *can* set that flag via CFLAGS,
>> even just per package, whereas the majority, not interested in this,
>> cannot do the same to filter "-Werror". Nobody advocating for "-Werror"
>> replied to that fact yet.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer
>> C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5
>>
> 
> 



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-14 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-09 11:32 [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror Andrew Savchenko
2018-09-09 13:03 ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-09-09 15:02   ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-09-09 16:32     ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-09-09 17:18       ` Richard Yao
2018-09-09 15:11 ` Jeroen Roovers
2018-09-09 15:22 ` Richard Yao
2018-09-09 16:11   ` Michał Górny
2018-09-09 17:09     ` Richard Yao
2018-09-09 17:24       ` Richard Yao
2018-09-09 17:13     ` Richard Yao
2018-09-12 20:28       ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-09-12 21:54         ` Richard Yao
2018-09-10 14:19   ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-10 21:18     ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-10 21:44       ` Richard Yao
2018-09-10 21:42     ` Richard Yao
2018-09-09 16:31 ` Michał Górny
2018-09-09 23:46   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-10  7:45     ` Jason Zaman
2018-09-10 20:34       ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-10 20:51         ` Matt Turner
2018-09-10 20:56           ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-10 20:59             ` Mart Raudsepp
2018-09-10 21:26               ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-10 21:43               ` Richard Yao
2018-09-10 21:01             ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-10 21:01             ` Mike Gilbert
2018-09-10 21:04               ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-10 21:10                 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-11  0:50                 ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-09-10 21:31               ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-10 21:33                 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-10 21:58                 ` Mike Gilbert
2018-09-10 21:19           ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-10 21:21             ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-10 21:27               ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-10 21:48                 ` Richard Yao
2018-09-10 21:52                   ` Richard Yao
2018-09-10 21:35               ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-10 21:41                 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-09-12  8:56           ` Jason Zaman
2018-09-12 14:50             ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-12 16:47               ` Mike
2018-09-13 11:25                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-09-13 13:29                   ` Mike
2018-09-13 13:35                     ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-13 13:39                       ` Mike
2018-09-13 14:06                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-09-12 22:55               ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-09-12 23:03                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-12 23:52                   ` Matt Turner
2018-09-13  0:11                     ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-13  0:46                       ` Matt Turner
2018-09-13 15:51                         ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-13 15:56                           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-13 16:20                             ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-13 17:58                               ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14  0:41                               ` Georg Rudoy
2018-09-12 23:47                 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-13 11:36                 ` Richard Yao
2018-09-13 16:03                   ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-13 23:12                     ` Richard Yao
2018-09-13 23:21                       ` Matt Turner
2018-09-14  0:44                         ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14  0:54                           ` Georg Rudoy
2018-09-14 17:09                             ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14  3:35                           ` Matt Turner
2018-09-14 15:54                             ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14 23:07                               ` Sergei Trofimovich
2018-09-14 23:27                                 ` Richard Yao
2018-09-21 22:33                                   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-22  5:57                                     ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 17:47                     ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14 17:58                   ` Richard Yao [this message]
2018-09-13 15:48                 ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-09 17:50 ` Michael Orlitzky
2018-09-10  0:30   ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-09 20:47 ` Matt Turner
2018-09-10  0:13 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-11  6:15 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-09-11  9:44   ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-12 23:32     ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-13  0:09       ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-13 16:07         ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-13 21:34     ` Sergei Trofimovich
2018-09-14 16:40       ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 17:16         ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14 17:22           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 17:26             ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-14 17:33             ` Michał Górny
2018-09-14 17:48               ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 17:53                 ` Michał Górny
2018-09-14 18:00                   ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 17:52               ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-14 19:29                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2018-09-14 19:58                   ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14 20:20                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2018-09-14 20:29                       ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-14 21:02                         ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-14 21:07                           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 21:28                             ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-14 21:46                               ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 22:45                                 ` Fabian Groffen
2018-09-14 22:14                               ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14 22:58                                 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 22:11                       ` Richard Yao
2018-09-14 19:53         ` Sergei Trofimovich
2018-09-14 20:15           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2018-09-14 23:43             ` Sergei Trofimovich
2018-09-12 23:35 ` [gentoo-dev] acceptable alternatives to -Werror, was: " Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-13  0:14   ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-13  0:23     ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-13  0:34       ` Rich Freeman
2018-09-13  0:43         ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-13  8:49       ` Mike Auty
2018-09-21 22:42         ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-09-13 11:47       ` Richard Yao
2018-09-13 19:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Nikos Chantziaras

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