From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D4D01382C5 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 04:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D846EE088B; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 04:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27089E0857 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 04:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: binhost From: Zac Medico To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= , =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_K=2e_H=c3=bcttel?= , Sam James Cc: binhost@gentoo.org References: 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Feb 2021 20:17:59 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <860da025-1bde-8507-159c-1c94b96ab0ec@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yOqL3g70cga7TqAmotjYvCvPKtJvPK4Mk" X-Archives-Salt: aaa6cf04-3160-48c4-94b6-7f0c8b6b7f96 X-Archives-Hash: 0175e7990e7d5753208ceaa22cdb39e2 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --yOqL3g70cga7TqAmotjYvCvPKtJvPK4Mk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ZebMe5Du97FkY4VMnaVsP9b8eEQdJnF73" --ZebMe5Du97FkY4VMnaVsP9b8eEQdJnF73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/13/21 4:53 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > On 2/13/21 4:37 PM, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 2/11/21 1:17 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >>> On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 19:51 +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: >>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:57:48 +0200 Andreas K. H=C3=BCttel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all,=20 >>>>> >>>>> I'm announcing a new project here - "binhost" >>>>> >>>>> "The Gentoo Binhost project aims to provide readily installable, >>>>> precompiled packages for a subset of configurations, via central >>>>> binary package hosting. Currently we are still in the conceptual >>>>> planning stage. " >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Binhost >>>>> >>>>> If you're interested in helping out, feel free to add yourself on t= he >>>>> wiki page. >>>>> >>>>> Note that I see actually *building* the packages not as the central= >>>>> point of the project (that could be e.g. a side effect of a >>>>> tinderbox). I'm more concerned about >>>>> * what configurations should we use >>>>> * what portage features are still needed or need improvements (e.g.= >>>>> binpkg signing and verification) >>>>> * how should hosting look like >>>>> * and how we can test this on a limited scale before it goes "into >>>>> production" >>>>> * ... >>>>> >>>>> Comments, ideas, flamebaits? :D >>>>> >>>>> Cheers,=20 >>>>> Andreas >>>>> >>>> >>>> It would be great to improve portage speed with handling binpkgs. I >>>> already have my own binhost for a couple of Gentoo systems and even >>>> though these systems don't have to compile anything themselves, >>>> installing ~100 to ~200 binpkgs takes way more than an hour of >>>> installation time. Arch Linux' pacman only takes a fraction of this >>>> time for the very same task. >>>> I know that I compare apples with pears here but even reducing the >>>> current portage time by 50% would be a huge improvement. >>> >>> Is that really a problem? For me, Portage takes about an hour just t= o >>> do the dependency processing these days. In fact, building from sour= ces >>> is now faster than dependency calculations. >> >> The ratio of these times is dependent on the complexity of the >> dependencies involved, and so is the answer to your question. >=20 > Also, in the context of binary packages, dependencies calculations are > generally simpler for binary packages because their USE conditionals an= d > slot-operator :=3D dependencies are frozen in a particular state. This > dramatically reduces the search space involved in dependency calculatio= n. IUSE_RUNTIME will obviously introduce conditionals in binary package dependencies, but we should welcome these conditionals because they will provide useful flexibility. I think IUSE_RUNTIME will be a very nice feature to have for project binhost, since it will allow binary package dependencies to behave with flexibility that more closely resembles the flexibility of ebuild dependencies. --=20 Thanks, Zac --ZebMe5Du97FkY4VMnaVsP9b8eEQdJnF73-- --yOqL3g70cga7TqAmotjYvCvPKtJvPK4Mk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE8OgXaltWzqgSupCu0HX7jBBKPSAFAmAx3vdfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEYw RTgxNzZBNUI1NkNFQTgxMkJBOTBBRUQwNzVGQjhDMTA0QTNEMjAACgkQ0HX7jBBK PSCs8A/+O2SGKtTLCVwASJ811B4Uy1yIF2eFVsLseqLj/a7YC++e5FLGFz6ioWWR lKyoWOIjAkHcaA6sObnMkpKqMQWnyqed3DOleEOi4t/JHdP13hibIORXx0auVqau o7QDLzrtGaPX7fMTvTGeGh2HYCeVFP5IOF6B+oA2s0K/JHxIHzDqhtDMqj5/rm0K wsoNK1tuTWLQ4oRzbvdmeij6KaYMqklX1IEbaKyXu8WFLeR2tJdcglVxragRTSAn 4BGXCNLRcEMcFGX9ztkjazfhcMpikjDwPYTi9wn3vPSWH5//ZtqN1cVQ1y0Sq5hz NVx9dnt0IbJtB7IzGJ2Ff3YYNuWBFm3InbYHTSXUFGrqUeFesoAxpEXDrhOUln/a gAJnJjnZSkPBNWAfRsKdm0abuh9gKBtFF/KDjUvmLMLC9UP+l3Hk3c6VHutnPqTz KLbv0KllWoMPs1lAstWR4W1jDFixYs5ynKEtIGwvFe8ZddStIqHyq+S6Q/XsYgag vPoICRpf9r0K0TM+ZuUJ2FP5dfeIm1C/keYoGNAbCQkRtQlrKUvzdXHJoDoh+ros 5yiLeBUwkaWGs3Erg01WBJ8ByAn8s1Xd+gfi37J1Vbnw+N07f/EHs3ea7PAAHddS KTN/iWtBCzZwOqGYojYt2a4IfFCAVRwZqsEPR7kQd/G0LqrfG/M= =gIB9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yOqL3g70cga7TqAmotjYvCvPKtJvPK4Mk--