Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Ben de Groot]

On 14 February 2013 08:08, Florian Philipp <lists@binarywings.net> wrote:
> Am 14.02.2013 00:07, schrieb Brian Dolbec:
>>
>> Easy, just copy the ebuild and any patches in the files subdir to a
>> local overlay.
>>
>
> Which brings us back to the old discussion on what good it does for one
> person to do the work of masking and removing and N persons to do the
> work of creating an overlay instead of just letting the package rot in
> the tree until it is actually broken. But I guess everyone's pretty
> tired of that discussion so let's leave it at that.
>

Okay, let's do this. Since the users don't seem to be able to organize
themselves, I have taken the initiative to set this up. Currently
there is the graveyard overlay on github, and I will be opening the
required bug reports to get this mirrored on git.overlays.gentoo.org
and included in layman's overlay list.

I need two things:

1. Users volunteering some time to keep this running
2. Agreement on a place to host tarballs no longer hosted upstream

People who are interested can contact me in the #gentoo-dev-help
channel on Freenode.
-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Michael Weber]

On 02/14/2013 06:09 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:

> I need two things:
> 
> 1. Users volunteering some time to keep this running
> 2. Agreement on a place to host tarballs no longer hosted upstream

i'm all in.

-- 
Michael Weber
Gentoo Developer
web: https://xmw.de/
mailto: Michael Weber <xmw@gentoo.org>

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Florian Philipp]

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Am 14.02.2013 08:26, schrieb Michael Weber:
> On 02/14/2013 06:09 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> 
>> I need two things:
>>
>> 1. Users volunteering some time to keep this running
>> 2. Agreement on a place to host tarballs no longer hosted upstream
> 
> i'm all in.
> 

Me too. Having a central, semi-official place is probably the best solution.

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[J. Roeleveld]

On Thursday 14 February 2013 08:53:45 Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 14.02.2013 08:26, schrieb Michael Weber:
> > On 02/14/2013 06:09 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> I need two things:
> >> 
> >> 1. Users volunteering some time to keep this running
> >> 2. Agreement on a place to host tarballs no longer hosted upstream
> > 
> > i'm all in.
> 
> Me too. Having a central, semi-official place is probably the best solution.

Same here.

I'm also expecting " games-strategy/x3 " to go the same way.

--
Joost Roeleveld

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[George Shapovalov]

On Thursday 14 February 2013 13:09:15 Ben de Groot wrote:
> Okay, let's do this. Since the users don't seem to be able to organize
> themselves, I have taken the initiative to set this up. Currently
> there is the graveyard overlay on github, and I will be opening the
> required bug reports to get this mirrored on git.overlays.gentoo.org
> and included in layman's overlay list.
Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily for 
this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while and 
layman seems to list onyl sunrise)

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Ben de Groot]

On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov <george@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily for
> this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while and
> layman seems to list onyl sunrise)
>

You probably mean kde-sunset, which is specifically for Qt3/KDE3.
But I guess we could consider merging kde-sunset with graveyard.

-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[George Shapovalov]

On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov <george@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily
> > for
> > this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while
> > and
> > layman seems to list onyl sunrise)
> 
> You probably mean kde-sunset, which is specifically for Qt3/KDE3.
> But I guess we could consider merging kde-sunset with graveyard.
Nope, plain sunset.
At the time when the sunrise overlay was making a lot of noise (some 5 years 
ago?) there was a talk about sunset one. I don't remember details any more and 
it is absent from layman, so it could have been just talk without anything 
following it..

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Ian Stakenvicius]

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On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote:
> On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov <george@gentoo.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended
>>> primarily for this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard
>>> it mentioned in a while and layman seems to list onyl sunrise)
>> 
>> You probably mean kde-sunset, which is specifically for
>> Qt3/KDE3. But I guess we could consider merging kde-sunset with
>> graveyard.
> Nope, plain sunset. At the time when the sunrise overlay was making
> a lot of noise (some 5 years ago?) there was a talk about sunset
> one. I don't remember details any more and it is absent from
> layman, so it could have been just talk without anything following
> it..
> 
> 

I remember it too (and I think i mentioned it a couple of weeks ago).
 I believe the sunset overlay was deprecated in favour of the attic
being made more easily available (also probably because no dev's had
time to maintain/administer it)


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Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Markos Chandras]

On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote:
>> On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote:
>>> On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov <george@gentoo.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended
>>>> primarily for this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard
>>>> it mentioned in a while and layman seems to list onyl sunrise)
>>>
>>> You probably mean kde-sunset, which is specifically for
>>> Qt3/KDE3. But I guess we could consider merging kde-sunset with
>>> graveyard.
>> Nope, plain sunset. At the time when the sunrise overlay was making
>> a lot of noise (some 5 years ago?) there was a talk about sunset
>> one. I don't remember details any more and it is absent from
>> layman, so it could have been just talk without anything following
>> it..
>>
>>
>
> I remember it too (and I think i mentioned it a couple of weeks ago).
>  I believe the sunset overlay was deprecated in favour of the attic
> being made more easily available (also probably because no dev's had
> time to maintain/administer it)
>
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Last time I checked, the sunrise overlay was very much alive. It's
purpose is not to store old ebuilds (per se). It keeps high-quality
(because they are reviewed by devs and users before they appear in the
main branch) ebuilds that are not in portage tree. I think that the
sunrise devs would reject ebuilds that got removed from tree for
obvious reasons (dead upstream, broken etc etc)

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Florian Philipp]

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Am 14.02.2013 17:30, schrieb Markos Chandras:
> On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote:
>>>> On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote:
>>>>> On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov <george@gentoo.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended
>>>>>> primarily for this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard
>>>>>> it mentioned in a while and layman seems to list onyl sunrise)
>>>>>
>>>>> You probably mean kde-sunset, which is specifically for
>>>>> Qt3/KDE3. But I guess we could consider merging kde-sunset with
>>>>> graveyard.
>>>> Nope, plain sunset. At the time when the sunrise overlay was making
>>>> a lot of noise (some 5 years ago?) there was a talk about sunset
>>>> one. I don't remember details any more and it is absent from
>>>> layman, so it could have been just talk without anything following
>>>> it..
>>>>
>>>>
> 
> I remember it too (and I think i mentioned it a couple of weeks ago).
>  I believe the sunset overlay was deprecated in favour of the attic
> being made more easily available (also probably because no dev's had
> time to maintain/administer it)
> 
> 
>>
> 
> Last time I checked, the sunrise overlay was very much alive. It's
> purpose is not to store old ebuilds (per se). It keeps high-quality
> (because they are reviewed by devs and users before they appear in the
> main branch) ebuilds that are not in portage tree. I think that the
> sunrise devs would reject ebuilds that got removed from tree for
> obvious reasons (dead upstream, broken etc etc)
> 

Read again. It's sunset, not sunrise. :-)


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Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

[Markos Chandras]

On 14 February 2013 16:37, Florian Philipp <lists@binarywings.net> wrote:
> Am 14.02.2013 17:30, schrieb Markos Chandras:
>> On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote:
>>>>>> On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov <george@gentoo.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended
>>>>>>> primarily for this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard
>>>>>>> it mentioned in a while and layman seems to list onyl sunrise)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You probably mean kde-sunset, which is specifically for
>>>>>> Qt3/KDE3. But I guess we could consider merging kde-sunset with
>>>>>> graveyard.
>>>>> Nope, plain sunset. At the time when the sunrise overlay was making
>>>>> a lot of noise (some 5 years ago?) there was a talk about sunset
>>>>> one. I don't remember details any more and it is absent from
>>>>> layman, so it could have been just talk without anything following
>>>>> it..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> I remember it too (and I think i mentioned it a couple of weeks ago).
>>  I believe the sunset overlay was deprecated in favour of the attic
>> being made more easily available (also probably because no dev's had
>> time to maintain/administer it)
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Last time I checked, the sunrise overlay was very much alive. It's
>> purpose is not to store old ebuilds (per se). It keeps high-quality
>> (because they are reviewed by devs and users before they appear in the
>> main branch) ebuilds that are not in portage tree. I think that the
>> sunrise devs would reject ebuilds that got removed from tree for
>> obvious reasons (dead upstream, broken etc etc)
>>
>
> Read again. It's sunset, not sunrise. :-)
>

Oops indeed :-/

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang