From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 609F9158041 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04D5BE2A21; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D57EE2A1C for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <274bf8fcee615e700d89606d770946d7585f1301.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:09:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <076b8ede8f3e2d6d49571d516132a96a08b4d591.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-w9t7JLJF8g3za5Op1jSQ" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: c1d939b4-7508-4d0a-b43e-2d3674f37299 X-Archives-Hash: 975f7c0249ed0dcf27c31660cabba6aa --=-w9t7JLJF8g3za5Op1jSQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2024-02-28 at 11:08 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 21:05 -0600, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: > > > What about cases where someone, say, doesn't have an excellent grasp = of > > > English and decides to use, for example, ChatGPT to aid in writing > > > documentation/comments (not code) and puts a note somewhere explicitl= y > > > mentioning what was AI-generated so that someone else can take a clos= er > > > look? > > >=20 > > > I'd personally not be the biggest fan of this if it wasn't in somethi= ng > > > like a PR or ml post where it could be reviewed before being made fin= al. > > > But the most impportant part IMO would be being up-front about it. >=20 > > I'm afraid that wouldn't help much. From my experiences, it would be > > less effort for us to help writing it from scratch, than trying to > > untangle whatever verbose shit ChatGPT generates. Especially that > > a person with poor grasp of the language could have trouble telling > > whether the generated text is actually meaningful. >=20 > But where do we draw the line? Are translation tools like DeepL allowed? > I don't see much of a copyright issue for these. I have a strong suspicion that these translation tools are trained on copyrighted translations of books and other copyrighted material. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-w9t7JLJF8g3za5Op1jSQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFGBAABCgAwFiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAmXfMKQSHG1nb3JueUBn ZW50b28ub3JnAAoJEGOa2uIyniQO/QQIAMZVFchagypZXBx38Ppsi/5HbQixpYmo 5VBJSNRQ0WkH01j9m3LAobXtzkrOHv4sMufwzP/0XxFX80EYFH+4GTYPoKwEUcRz sl0D4IGEhGLD2e+plTuoSa3xvczl9XThMVhVEKx/IadgBYuorM+N+0UIY6I8iDyK KqiVULvkj7Oo3ryV5K8ZPHs1uLUcy2gdDumwF2W4IoPqmn5d2as7qUiHHEmhnhd/ ihuNciBRnJlh8VHK1Jw2IPClAkiPzCOFtJVWiZ1z2FPR4SMkXxY9870y+KhbjWzQ LiOiu40q21bZPb4AAMAAfbFmiAooMQoj/sivJQnrzKsONnPe6dvr7lo= =xP9h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-w9t7JLJF8g3za5Op1jSQ--