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Misbakh-Soloviov" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] www-client/chromium gtk3 support Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 00:50:18 +0600 Message-ID: <2633075.vrmpt97evc@note> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (Linux/4.1.5; KDE/4.14.11; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <55F1B687.4030604@gentoo.org> References: <55EFDEC7.1070403@gentoo.org> <2405010.0JSpNPP3XQ@note> <55F1B687.4030604@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1558990.sSmqt5m1hY"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 273d172d-f743-47d0-9550-256a2f71f753 X-Archives-Hash: 723d4ad2416e6ab5e3c6c8abfbcd20ec --nextPart1558990.sSmqt5m1hY Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > You should really either reconsider your understanding of opensource = or > start to pay me. we're talking not about you and your opensource work. We're talking abo= ut your=20 consideration to force allmaintanersto drop gtk2 *even if they want to=20= maintain it*. And I disagree with exactly that. Or, do you argue that f= orcing=20 by lack of manpower in QA team? And one more thing: opensource is "you're free to do the thing or to no= t to=20 do". But not the "you're not free to do that" (i.e. "you're forced to n= ot add=20 gtk2 in the ebuilds, despite of upstream supported it and you want to a= dd it") > Gentoo is for the most part GPL-2 and you can fork, change and > redistribute it any way you want. We are not dictating anything. Yes it is (and let's omit the facts, that it is some forks already). Bu= t we=20 are talking about bueraucratic enforcement of people (maintainers and u= sers),=20 but not about forking policy. > Given the fact that we are short on manpower and that most part of th= e > linux ecosystem is moving towards gtk3... there has been no good > argument to support a toolkit version - that is (about to be) depreca= ted > - for exotic corner use cases that people tried to come up with in th= e > heat of the argument. It is great one: it is not *yet* deprecated. It is okay to drop it from= the=20 tree when it will be deopped by upstream. But dropping something by dow= nstream=20 will (at least, without official explaination "because of lack of manpo= wer")=20 is something strange and tyranny. And I'm pretty sure, if you'll post such notice, there will definitely = be=20 people, that would be happy to assist in that situation. > Gtk3 is not gnome3. Gtk3 is not systemd. Can we please be realistic n= ow? Gtk3-related politic, that we discussing here looks very simiar to gnom= e3=20 upstream politic. P.S. Don't count this as mockery, but, following that logic, maybe we s= hould=20 also drop python2, because of deprecation in favour of python3? :) It w= ill=20 definitelly help to decrease manpower on maintainership. =2D-=20 Best regards, mva --nextPart1558990.sSmqt5m1hY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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