From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBE8D158089 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 19:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 456E02BC03B; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 19:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from james.steelbluetech.co.uk (james.steelbluetech.co.uk [92.63.139.228]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 001452BC013 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 19:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ukinbox.ecrypt.net (hq2.ehuk.net [10.0.10.2]) by james.steelbluetech.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC5DBFC0F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:47:31 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 james.steelbluetech.co.uk BBC5DBFC0F DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ehuk.net; s=default; t=1694548051; bh=1kmZzoApZMNz8TQ8OHIlsdCFLF3a/gyNauBe+B/G7pI=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To:From; b=otB0jyA35wjggwZWtVL3y/McrUHtcRFuhRU/4G9Q1geNfsS2hbvftNgjV+cIkN5BR vHDWUxqfDujlsUHg9iBOdSbdbTgJ33sHVNZzEeOlTGJlXrOVvz6P+E/ike6YVLzJV5 C+PfyjZxSHQqqEQHcStwtCLLwnlXEiPB/abH7B1bWu/EEAdkn8MyZx2y4a82TuQEdl 7uYZy0hZpubRvk7VkCvGnG13qxvWiswDVufJ9sQc3WFUbU2W4xNpf2xrPgtfReASSq Xo4D7yvrTUDq9RF9hKLog+bf1GKHds0jwrxOhd2EykcdIvAQCPDNeO5m5sC8kW4JAN RMxFEUpOWjCOw== Message-ID: <25616924cf66471fbd1075753551dffa.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> In-Reply-To: <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <92dfbb91650e4fe9c82268ccddf8b0ab.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:47:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev From: "Eddie Chapman" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang X-Archives-Salt: 0b8f1224-5b15-416c-8b2d-b7d08f1087ec X-Archives-Hash: 66706248fc9fde738ee7e9fa24e02f3e Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >>>> I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a >>>> decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed >>>> something. I just find it puzzling. >>> >>> I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it >>> happens basically anytime a high-profile package is treecleaned. Yes, >>> Gentoo is about choice, but somebody has to actually do work to make >>> the choices viable. There are always more people interested in >>> using software than maintaining it. The frustration is completely >>> understandable, but also kinda unavoidable. >> >> It starts to bother me that so many people straight away assume that >> when someone questions things it's because they are a frustrated user > > > > The eudev experiment has failed. > * It was false labeling from the start.[*] > * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream. Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork after all. > * It's effectively unmaintained in Gentoo. That could change. Isn't that why a last rite comes with 30 days notice? > * You don't gain anything from using it instead of udev. > (Nobody does.) Is there only 1 tool for the job? Why do we have both the OpenIPMI and ipmitool projects, both curl and wget, chrome and firefox. Wouldn't it be better if we just choose one of each of those pairs and concentrate on it? > > So why should anyone put up the effort to package it? Same question for the above choices and plenty of other examples. What's wrong with having an alternative purely for competition? > [*] Take something out of the systemd tarball, reapply every commit, > make tiny changes so it looks different, That's basically how most forks start isn't it? > sell it to the anti-systemd crowd. > Sadly no profit, since open source... > -- > Andreas K. Hüttel > dilfridge@gentoo.org Gentoo Linux developer > (council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice) >