From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N2P73-0006su-8O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C051E077E; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B084E077E for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so11286260fxm.34 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g7d0zTvb5WcdXLuDGcD1N+e5ZEvc+cBXelP0RVEtVk0=; b=kVgVWSFg/B/D2Q26F81yk2G7MKiiRhx/8u1VCIPbqsKff2YsEPujDBp+Wwtxmfo/y8 BF37LT4JwSR0OydxxbqLs5iRm2S+x9rGmzMTJNA5YL8f3aMd8uWYF6/+OULPqpxI8hTa JErQqaKZ4eArEncU3cJv1w+SrCCd1JsWRGBrQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dNMWIpKnoZXVB7hySBMNCypndn7vOjkCn4vb9ebuuixu5EclQ3WM/nYqnd7JAul/FX BojLjwJJMKaO3WontHlh4Osqq1WPQyJ4JiX5zcgV4+UK5FkFWt8Ha/HbbUnoLKHtyu6D hSQtS/VXG1RQYxYyXquTmftAGmMzyR0AV8tUU= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.64.19 with SMTP id r19mr5976187muk.8.1256561751366; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:55:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091021163001.GA16175@linux1> References: <1255733421-30950-mlmmj-4f4db363@lists.gentoo.org> <7486f8688d881f8d4a987199cb9ec8ea.squirrel@core-mail.net> <200910170953.40078.patrick@gentoo.org> <255f067f0910210545u5790cdccxaaa2f390a6493496@mail.gmail.com> <255f067f0910210821m68ef25b0q89bdbe2083c4425b@mail.gmail.com> <20091021163001.GA16175@linux1> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:55:51 +0100 Message-ID: <255f067f0910260555r32f2d1ccxdcf6e182e6c57ea1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is? From: Ladislav Laska To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 9032a3d3-8e3c-41cc-9e27-6753d223994f X-Archives-Hash: f829d8c4878694c92f406d0e8916da76 This is awesome! It really like the idea, but (there is always "but", right?) it doesn't work. I have googled for it for a while and haven't found any reference how to do it exactly. I have created mentioned file and run emerge, but I've got $ sudo emerge -av @critical !!! '@critical' is not a valid package atom. !!! Please check ebuild(5) for full details And I have no idea why. Also, I'm using portage 2.1.7.1. I guess this is new feature in 2.2? Regards Ladislav Laska S pozdravem Ladislav Laska --- xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska@jabber.cz On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:30 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > Afaik, you can already do this. > > Make a file in /etc/portage/sets/critical, or whatever you want to call > it, and in there list the packages you are concerned about. > > Then you can do: > > emerge -NDup @critical > > to see the packages in that set that need to be upgraded or you can use > @critical in any other place you could use a set. > > William > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 03:21:34PM +0000, Ladislav Laska wrote: >> Of course, by "safe" I meant "unsafe" or "needs-additional-care" or >> whatever,... My bad. >> >> Regards Ladislav Laska >> S pozdravem Ladislav Laska >> --- >> xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska@jabber.cz >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Ladislav Laska >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > One can see some similarity to a thread around week or two old (about >> > critical packages). I would imagine, that a simple and straightforward >> > solution would be to make a new set of packages. Since we already have >> > world and system sets, it wouldn't hurt to have a third, "safe" list >> > which would be configurable by user. What I mean is: >> > >> > I consider ssh, postfix two very important packages (ssh is pretty >> > stable, but hey, what if...) and I would most certainly not want to >> > trigger emerge world and not notice postfix. So: I would add ssh and >> > postfix to the "safe" set and do emerge -avu @safe, have a coffee and >> > looked whether it's ok (mail are flowing, can login, etc. etc.) and >> > then do emerge -avuD world and sleep well. >> > >> > I think this would be good solution for all of you? >> > >> > >> > Regards Ladislav Laska >> > S pozdravem Ladislav Laska >> > --- >> > xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska@jabber.cz >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: >> >> Patrick Lauer posted on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:39 +0200 as excerpted: >> >> >> >>> On Saturday 17 October 2009 01:29:00 Daniel Bradshaw wrote: >> >>>> Some packages, like findutils, are pretty robust and generally just get >> >>>> on with working. >> >>>> Other packages, like apache and ssh, need are more fragile and need >> >>>> plenty of configuration. >> >>> That's almost completely user-side configuration outside the influence >> >>> of portage. emerge findutils and emerge apache "works" the same ... >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Packages from the second group want emerging on their own, or in small >> >>>> groups, the better to keep an eye out for notices about things that >> >>>> might break, to update configs, and to check that they're running >> >>>> happily. >> >>> That's a very individual thing :) >> >>> Sometimes apache is a critical service, sometimes apache is just there >> >>> as a fallback if/when the lighttpd+php+... stack breaks. >> >> >> >> FWIW, there's a portage helper package, IDR the name as I have my own >> >> system for this but it looks like it might be helpful here, that allows >> >> users to pick and choose their updates. ??One could run it multiple times, >> >> updating (what the user considers) the critical stuff on its own, and >> >> updating everything else in a big bunch. >> >> >> >> That seems like the answer here; it already exists; and it's in the tree >> >> (unless it has been removed recently, I don't know as IDR the name). >> >> Take a look thru app-portage and see what you find. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Duncan - List replies preferred. ?? No HTML msgs. >> >> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- >> >> and if you use the program, he is your master." ??Richard Stallman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > -- > William Hubbs > gentoo accessibility team lead > williamh@gentoo.org >