From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N0aZl-00054S-Gt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:46:01 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BDE6DE0763; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760AAE0763 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so232694bwz.26 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=99rcru1h0OhEf9j11judxyVPWhQk51JyRNwlBLeRPmA=; b=f4MCW8tbQ+mZtfKCCu02US4MT9QZBzviAkd9stL26j2OG//tp+KO5udRfzE3mSOB0D DrL9Y4KnO5GGtI5XW96A01vHiz1GCVDux0ZMOpoapUegX+Kb/M6hl/dUjxu4C4aZMTxr npks2jlW292/C4XfxJa3sx4cGjMlhXcH0OAWM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bYQBZCgyqF+ckt2dyByVvKyFj8AF/twLaD0PtTPNIMAM9SsOpeePLCJMyYEwreuaQF DU/WP9mYfNjg148HKCU8/aJ6yLrLrb0D3MqRujkMETIenCUdVd2UwKiAYpc7vIrudGfd esx9ebDkws2kJHTihZUEUhcfSa6uqO8mPJPOY= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.160.15 with SMTP id i15mr3261329mue.130.1256129158743; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:45:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1255733421-30950-mlmmj-4f4db363@lists.gentoo.org> <7486f8688d881f8d4a987199cb9ec8ea.squirrel@core-mail.net> <200910170953.40078.patrick@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:45:58 +0200 Message-ID: <255f067f0910210545u5790cdccxaaa2f390a6493496@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is? From: Ladislav Laska To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ecd47dec-7c63-456a-8934-7b786fa93e4c X-Archives-Hash: 66176f8c6bcce3ff2ee684c0d0d5fbbb Hi, One can see some similarity to a thread around week or two old (about critical packages). I would imagine, that a simple and straightforward solution would be to make a new set of packages. Since we already have world and system sets, it wouldn't hurt to have a third, "safe" list which would be configurable by user. What I mean is: I consider ssh, postfix two very important packages (ssh is pretty stable, but hey, what if...) and I would most certainly not want to trigger emerge world and not notice postfix. So: I would add ssh and postfix to the "safe" set and do emerge -avu @safe, have a coffee and looked whether it's ok (mail are flowing, can login, etc. etc.) and then do emerge -avuD world and sleep well. I think this would be good solution for all of you? Regards Ladislav Laska S pozdravem Ladislav Laska --- xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska@jabber.cz On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > Patrick Lauer posted on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:39 +0200 as excerpted: > >> On Saturday 17 October 2009 01:29:00 Daniel Bradshaw wrote: >>> Some packages, like findutils, are pretty robust and generally just get >>> on with working. >>> Other packages, like apache and ssh, need are more fragile and need >>> plenty of configuration. >> That's almost completely user-side configuration outside the influence >> of portage. emerge findutils and emerge apache "works" the same ... >> >> >>> Packages from the second group want emerging on their own, or in small >>> groups, the better to keep an eye out for notices about things that >>> might break, to update configs, and to check that they're running >>> happily. >> That's a very individual thing :) >> Sometimes apache is a critical service, sometimes apache is just there >> as a fallback if/when the lighttpd+php+... stack breaks. > > FWIW, there's a portage helper package, IDR the name as I have my own > system for this but it looks like it might be helpful here, that allows > users to pick and choose their updates. =C2=A0One could run it multiple t= imes, > updating (what the user considers) the critical stuff on its own, and > updating everything else in a big bunch. > > That seems like the answer here; it already exists; and it's in the tree > (unless it has been removed recently, I don't know as IDR the name). > Take a look thru app-portage and see what you find. > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. =C2=A0 No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." =C2=A0Richard Stallman > > >