From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0640813832E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 86574E0BCE; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9012EE0BB9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.100.0.6] (host-37-191-220-247.lynet.no [37.191.220.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: k_f) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F6AB340D73 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: #wg-stable: Reservations about a "STABLE" & "NeedsStable" bugzilla keywords (re: [gentoo-dev] New Working Group established to evaluate the stable tree) References: <6046d13b-1a54-aa5e-ab16-df448b0f8c59@gentoo.org> <20160815162943.192f2605@katipo2.lan> <8e18f41d-3463-7a95-a184-e75030eedc48@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Kristian Fiskerstrand Message-ID: <250ec695-5bb4-6328-420b-a1312269a1a8@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:25:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6IX2A4I0qnXgpO12g7eNOog9nIu9h8fjL" X-Archives-Salt: 790db5a7-f764-4796-8750-35a038e5abf5 X-Archives-Hash: 2ec6cd62174fde6bbf528a96d588ff19 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --6IX2A4I0qnXgpO12g7eNOog9nIu9h8fjL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LQ2r8o26WoJjStcXP9ofVgbc2gJJOOb0g" From: Kristian Fiskerstrand Reply-To: k_f@gentoo.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <250ec695-5bb4-6328-420b-a1312269a1a8@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: #wg-stable: Reservations about a "STABLE" & "NeedsStable" bugzilla keywords (re: [gentoo-dev] New Working Group established to evaluate the stable tree) References: <6046d13b-1a54-aa5e-ab16-df448b0f8c59@gentoo.org> <20160815162943.192f2605@katipo2.lan> <8e18f41d-3463-7a95-a184-e75030eedc48@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: --LQ2r8o26WoJjStcXP9ofVgbc2gJJOOb0g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/15/2016 03:15 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand = wrote: >> Could you please elaborate a bit? In particular from perspective of (i= ) >> integration into current workflow, (ii) complexity in application >> maintenance/hosting (iii) cost/benefit considerations >=20 > Well, I think stabilization (and, to some extent, keywording) is a Thank you for elaborating > very different process from handling bugs and feature requests. It > would be great if we had tooling that focuses on these instead of > trying to fit into the bug tracker. It would entail a different I'm not sure I agree on this point, my perspective is the state of the stable tree is exactly dependent on it being considered as part of the regular workflow of developers, which has at least been implied in the past[0] - resulting in e.g InVCS. Part of the discussion in that case is the number of developers running full testing (~arch) and might not care too much about the state of the stable tree, and having stabilization as part of the specific workflow will help the state of the stable tree by requiring the developer to care about it. > workflow, obviously, but I think that's a plus in this case, and we > could make sure we have the command-line tools to make it easy to work > with. >=20 as long as it doesn't become a disconnect to maintainer's responsibilities. The state of stable tree isn't a separate issue that belongs with the arch teams; it is an integrated and important part of maintaining any package to begin with. > Development/maintenance/hosting is an issue, though it's a bit hard to > say something definitive about it before there's more of a plan of how > such a tool could work. It's enough of a pain for me that I could see > myself investing some time in development. >=20 > Perhaps some kind of middle ground would be to handle this stuff in a > separate Bugzilla product, and then making sure we have some tooling > around that to better present the data. See comment in previous chapter >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Dirkjan >=20 Notes: [0] but I don't recall any specific policies / council meeting summaries on it offhand and don't have time to search but feel free to provide it if easily available to anyone - the last discussion I see on this was https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/df7dee4ad61fe1c9bac866d15e= 0babfb --=20 Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP certificate reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA 0B7F 8B60 E3ED FAE3 --LQ2r8o26WoJjStcXP9ofVgbc2gJJOOb0g-- --6IX2A4I0qnXgpO12g7eNOog9nIu9h8fjL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJXscLHAAoJECULev7WN52FbHAIAKSbCDiCY1OCig+hb1nAF7Ku QdCMkjdfphFjE6adfoG2GzOuDgIc9H1JosN4VnbavszsRHYcWXt1mVvdQDioKzdr tvbv21TRhgMvPvMADDx6PKgMbXpKVNZEsKrDQVBzIjYSGA8++QivJoFazhEQXYEY A0nWcL5TWcivs5urApHS/qkTE/taS2S39gGemfZ3hLVAlHW1+lbHi4GUMV6Ime6S rWAfJi62ciCGY04DmRUSYd3E3gPYzqhnBhyKjmK1sSBzdAeClqZQdfaO4RjXKoi3 zdr5UzRmA8Bg5iCz0L9xfQq15/jcdUI/muFjoLwU7wJR7CBn5yQtWJ1nyeGPkl8= =UBOX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6IX2A4I0qnXgpO12g7eNOog9nIu9h8fjL--