[gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Tyler Pohl]

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tylerapohl@gmail.com

Thanks,
-- 
Tyler Pohl

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Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Dale]

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Tyler Pohl wrote:
> tylerapohl@gmail.com <mailto:tylerapohl@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Tyler Pohl

Nope.  It doesn't work that way.  Try this:

List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> 

Send a empty email to that and I think you have to confirm.  

Dale

:-)  :-)  



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Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Kent Fredric]

On 24 May 2016 at 08:08, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nope.  It doesn't work that way.  Try this:
>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
>
> Send a empty email to that and I think you have to confirm.
>
> Dale


A nice approach I recently saw to this problem on another mailing list
was they had somebody who *could* manually remove people from mailing
lists,
and they'd respond with something along the lines of "We've done this
for you now, but if anyone wants to do this, just email ...
blahblahblah+unsubscribe themselves".

That makes the effort less for the person requesting removal, and
reduces their margin of error.

Whether or not gentoo can/wants to do the same, eh.

Just when I saw it I though "Nice, this is waaay better then the
standard 'you did wrong, try again' ".

-- 
Kent

KENTNL - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL

Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 05/23/2016 11:17 PM, Kent Fredric wrote:
> Just when I saw it I though "Nice, this is waaay better then the
> standard 'you did wrong, try again' ".

give a man a fish and he has food for a day, teach a man to fish and he
has food for a lifetime

-- 
Kristian Fiskerstrand
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Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Kent Fredric]

On 24 May 2016 at 09:22, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org> wrote:
> give a man a fish and he has food for a day, teach a man to fish and he
> has food for a lifetime


But if you feed a man while you teach him, he's better equipped to learn. :p

Hence, the suggestion includes both.

- Solve the immediate issue.
- Include information to solving the issue in future.

-- 
Kent

KENTNL - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL

Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[M. J. Everitt]

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On 23/05/16 22:37, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 24 May 2016 at 09:22, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> give a man a fish and he has food for a day, teach a man to fish and he
>> has food for a lifetime
>
> But if you feed a man while you teach him, he's better equipped to learn. :p
>
> Hence, the suggestion includes both.
>
> - Solve the immediate issue.
> - Include information to solving the issue in future.
>
+1


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Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Dale]

Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 24 May 2016 at 08:08, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nope.  It doesn't work that way.  Try this:
>>
>> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
>>
>> Send a empty email to that and I think you have to confirm.
>>
>> Dale
>
> A nice approach I recently saw to this problem on another mailing list
> was they had somebody who *could* manually remove people from mailing
> lists,
> and they'd respond with something along the lines of "We've done this
> for you now, but if anyone wants to do this, just email ...
> blahblahblah+unsubscribe themselves".
>
> That makes the effort less for the person requesting removal, and
> reduces their margin of error.
>
> Whether or not gentoo can/wants to do the same, eh.
>
> Just when I saw it I though "Nice, this is waaay better then the
> standard 'you did wrong, try again' ".
>

Well, I started to do the Hotel California thing but wasn't sure if
everyone would get that, including the one wanting to check out and
leave.  LOL 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov]

> But if you feed a man while you teach him, he's better equipped to learn. :p

As a father of 3 kids, I'd say: if you'll teach while feeding, he would say 
"yes, I understand", but will not really study anything, and would *claim* you 
to feed him again next time...

-- 
wbr,
mva

Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Kent Fredric]

On 24 May 2016 at 11:19, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov <gentoo@mva.name> wrote:
>
> As a father of 3 kids, I'd say: if you'll teach while feeding, he would say
> "yes, I understand", but will not really study anything, and would *claim* you
> to feed him again next time...


Sure, that is a risk, but its kinda different with kids.

A smart person knows the benefit of knowing how to do a thing themselves.

If they ignore your teaching, and they don't learn the first time,
then its on them the second.

Sure, when "Teaching only" you have the advantage that they need to
participate in order to get their fish.

But a manipulative lazy learner could exploit the learning exercise to
get a fish, and then not actually learn anything, and still come back
to you the next time. ;)

Its a matter of knowing when you're being played, and then giving
restrictions in response to that.


Instead of .... assuming everyone to be lazy / uncaring / manipulative
before they've even had a chance.

And there's no way anybody can be commanded to provide this service,
its volunteer effort after all.

Just like there's no requirement anybody respond and teach them.

( And some people you can waste a lot of time on, trying to show them
the way, and they will still disappoint you, and some will promptly
forget after they get it right the first time, and require
re-educating a second .... while others, they require doing the thing
themselves at least once in order to learn )

-- 
Kent

KENTNL - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL

Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Tuomo Hartikainen]

On 2016-05-24 09:37, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 24 May 2016 at 09:22, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > give a man a fish and he has food for a day, teach a man to fish and he
> > has food for a lifetime
> 
> 
> But if you feed a man while you teach him, he's better equipped to learn. :p
> 
> Hence, the suggestion includes both.
> 
> - Solve the immediate issue.
> - Include information to solving the issue in future.

And he would probably still mail the whole list the next time, because
it is easier for him than refering to the instructions he got last time.

-- 
Tuomo Hartikainen

Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Tyler Pohl]

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thanks.  i just don;t want my inbox full of gentoo anymore.  i use gentoo
for 4 years now you guys kick ass thanks for the support

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tyler Pohl wrote:
>
> tylerapohl@gmail.com
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Tyler Pohl
>
>
> Nope.  It doesn't work that way.  Try this:
>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> <gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
>
> Send a empty email to that and I think you have to confirm.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
>


-- 
Tyler Pohl

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Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov]

> thanks.  i just don;t want my inbox full of gentoo anymore.  i use gentoo

Actually, if the case was only to "not had full INBOX of gentoo", it was 
possible to just enable "sorting" and place gentoo-dev in separate IMAP-folder 
(like I did). But I guess, you've already unsubscribed, so nevermind ;)

-- 
wbr,
mva

[gentoo-dev] Re: please remove me off your mailing list

[Duncan]

Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov posted on Tue, 24 May 2016 14:20:38 +0600 as
excerpted:

>> thanks.  i just don;t want my inbox full of gentoo anymore.  i use
>> gentoo
> 
> Actually, if the case was only to "not had full INBOX of gentoo", it was
> possible to just enable "sorting" and place gentoo-dev in separate
> IMAP-folder (like I did). But I guess, you've already unsubscribed, so
> nevermind ;)

Of course, to place gentoo in a separate IMAP-folder, you must actually 
/have/ an IMAP folder, which implies having an IMAP account, not, say, 
POP3, which seems to be what gets offered 'round here.[1]

Tho of course it's possible to sort local mail, as from POP3, into 
folders/directories too, as I do for various commercial lists and mailed 
notifications from wordpress, etc, tho not for community mailing lists 
like the gentoo lists.

For community lists I normally use gmane's list2news service, getting the 
lists as newsgroups, which I process using my favorite news client (pan, 
FWIW).

---
[1] Yes, it is of course possible to run your own mail server locally, 
and serve IMAP, while pulling in mail from various accounts, but then 
that's simply doing the same division into local folders to serve over 
IMAP, that you can do with a mail client pulling in the mail and sorting 
it into similar local folders without the additional IMAP complexity, so 
no need for IMAP in the loop, at least if you have only one primary 
machine, as I do.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: please remove me off your mailing list

[Raymond Jennings]

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AFAIK, gentoo-dev is nothing more than a mailing list, and does little more
than take in messages, archive them, and then distribute them to list
members.  I don't believe that such things as IMAP or POP even apply in any
technical sense.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:51 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:

> Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov posted on Tue, 24 May 2016 14:20:38 +0600 as
> excerpted:
>
> >> thanks.  i just don;t want my inbox full of gentoo anymore.  i use
> >> gentoo
> >
> > Actually, if the case was only to "not had full INBOX of gentoo", it was
> > possible to just enable "sorting" and place gentoo-dev in separate
> > IMAP-folder (like I did). But I guess, you've already unsubscribed, so
> > nevermind ;)
>
> Of course, to place gentoo in a separate IMAP-folder, you must actually
> /have/ an IMAP folder, which implies having an IMAP account, not, say,
> POP3, which seems to be what gets offered 'round here.[1]
>
> Tho of course it's possible to sort local mail, as from POP3, into
> folders/directories too, as I do for various commercial lists and mailed
> notifications from wordpress, etc, tho not for community mailing lists
> like the gentoo lists.
>
> For community lists I normally use gmane's list2news service, getting the
> lists as newsgroups, which I process using my favorite news client (pan,
> FWIW).
>
> ---
> [1] Yes, it is of course possible to run your own mail server locally,
> and serve IMAP, while pulling in mail from various accounts, but then
> that's simply doing the same division into local folders to serve over
> IMAP, that you can do with a mail client pulling in the mail and sorting
> it into similar local folders without the additional IMAP complexity, so
> no need for IMAP in the loop, at least if you have only one primary
> machine, as I do.
>
> --
> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 09:17:05AM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
> A nice approach I recently saw to this problem on another mailing list
> was they had somebody who *could* manually remove people from mailing
> lists,
> and they'd respond with something along the lines of "We've done this
> for you now, but if anyone wants to do this, just email ...
> blahblahblah+unsubscribe themselves".
> 
> That makes the effort less for the person requesting removal, and
> reduces their margin of error.
> 
> Whether or not gentoo can/wants to do the same, eh.
> 
> Just when I saw it I though "Nice, this is waaay better then the
> standard 'you did wrong, try again' ".
Infra (at least me) _does_ do this, I just hadn't gotten to this
listmail yet, and I see that Tyler already removed himself.

We also flag all mails with the subject of 'unsubcribe' for moderation,
as they are usually people trying to remove themselves.

-- 
Robin Hugh Johnson
Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Trustee & Treasurer
E-Mail   : robbat2@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

[Joshua Kinard]

On 05/23/2016 17:37, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 24 May 2016 at 09:22, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> give a man a fish and he has food for a day, teach a man to fish and he
>> has food for a lifetime
> 
> 
> But if you feed a man while you teach him, he's better equipped to learn. :p
> 
> Hence, the suggestion includes both.
> 
> - Solve the immediate issue.
> - Include information to solving the issue in future.

The other, less popular option, is to just feed the man to the fish.  That also
solves the problem :)

-- 
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27
177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943

"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us.  And our
lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

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