From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6500F1396D0 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8590EE0ECB; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 270D1E0E88 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [46.246.40.84] (anon-40-84.vpn.ipredator.se [46.246.40.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zlg) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84AE3341874 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New package neomutt To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20170731071119.jccco5q4kd3fs4xs@rubberducky.suse.de> <20170810045857.e6qrvnimteopxgev@rubberducky.suse.de> <1502350830.1554.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170810075443.GR1321@gentoo.org> <1502352604.1554.4.camel@gentoo.org> From: Daniel Campbell Message-ID: <2299f458-ff8d-172b-be45-a7a68c67a930@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:07:06 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1502352604.1554.4.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FPSMfAnLOwv3X9Vximk397W2ke6I4nwwT" X-Archives-Salt: cfbba5e4-61d1-4c93-b379-6cc732159582 X-Archives-Hash: c76063a164ab2dade302b98ae7265a97 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --FPSMfAnLOwv3X9Vximk397W2ke6I4nwwT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="rTvTurKRh8WTIFlJmMhg2WbG6nRXRE2iS"; protected-headers="v1" From: Daniel Campbell To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <2299f458-ff8d-172b-be45-a7a68c67a930@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New package neomutt References: <20170731071119.jccco5q4kd3fs4xs@rubberducky.suse.de> <20170810045857.e6qrvnimteopxgev@rubberducky.suse.de> <1502350830.1554.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170810075443.GR1321@gentoo.org> <1502352604.1554.4.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1502352604.1554.4.camel@gentoo.org> --rTvTurKRh8WTIFlJmMhg2WbG6nRXRE2iS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/10/2017 01:10 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On czw, 2017-08-10 at 09:54 +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote: >> On 10-08-2017 09:40:30 +0200, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >>> On czw, 2017-08-10 at 06:58 +0200, Nicolas Bock wrote: >>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 09:11:19AM +0200, Nicolas Bock wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to add neomutt to the tree. This new package is meant = as=20 >>>>> an alternative and not a replacement of the existing mutt package. >>>> >>>> Thanks for all of the great suggestions and feedback! >>>> >>>> This is round two. I have update the ebuild with all your=20 >>>> suggestions. I have also added support for eselecting between mutt=20 >>>> and neomutt. Before the eselect ebuild can land though, we need to=20 >>>> rename the mutt binary so that the managed link can be called=20 >>>> mutt. >>> >>> What for? How many people are exactly in the dire need of having both= >>> installed simultaneously and switching between them? If you really ca= n't >>> learn to type the new command, add IUSE=3Dsymlink blocking original m= utt >>> and be done with it. Don't add more unowned files to /usr by another >>> poorly written eselect module. >> >> Be nice! No need to be bitchy here (and in the rest of your review). >> Nicolas is just trying. >> >> Me, as maintainer of Mutt, thought it was a good idea, because it allo= ws >> people to easily have both installed at the same time, which in this >> interesting time for both projects is not a weird thing to have. >=20 > I don't see how eselect helps that. People can just run neomutt by > typing... neomutt, right? It works without the symlink, right? >=20 >> If there is a policy/move to get rid of eselect, then sorry, I am not >> aware of that. I can live with a symlink USE-flag. It doesn't seem >> very elegant to me, but it would work for this scenario. >> >=20 > The move is against orphaned files in /usr that are randomly changed by= > runtime tools rather than the package manager. >=20 Then how do we explain the reasoning for the other 50 or so eselect modules? No doubt at least a handful of them modify symlinks in /usr, and have similarly few options to choose from, such as eselect-vi. Should we remove those as well? --=20 Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 --rTvTurKRh8WTIFlJmMhg2WbG6nRXRE2iS-- --FPSMfAnLOwv3X9Vximk397W2ke6I4nwwT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEgIn+0tMDW9PQWDLnASQOlFA54XAFAlmVJHoACgkQASQOlFA5 4XDcoQ/6AkF08QA6XpjK74KbzKg34iC5OiqvfP0WBOgnfKiCKp259bXM/UWZY9K8 ovexA+MGTbIVZIJM+rhMpZAmHIAw9KenYCWU4qcCqlQDiUt+8xhan35yChbjBcjk CNWkLGzz5CECOIFAYT1Uqsn/AqrhJRaf7e2a1BuB0TXO0QWUYwWa+BPM5iVtF6Nq J7Q5cEqoU2VEep2UkhMzLFir3Dw5LQ3NmGDhO1Farv4AkRkITtIkbUZpULcKYrFI LMp0dtsK18J9RnAVHusM2kiUroK6ovbzlVBKJPpK1J5uTNhH/M7z+Zt8UGJ+3hoy ENpWTWDPm+EGnenCtJIpJmgOGr1+WRTezU45d5RQ0SfWUrpsD3ujsfJKQQrl4Gib dzmFVqIvvMu/r5xCqSrpjOoVBtHzHsj8RupT6KUEpKiwXnkUUtLVC8PVSH9w0cxj rUqSQxHtayB4GoXkSOBYO+2Rt2gcWyOmOdXq52KU26CRRxTD2tiFyoCrH+qVcY8v 0lndHEZqi/tYweCHpCeV+egGNEMIprB/fkVs+ODgttRW4TonYhpClVVQkjOP1eR7 8/cFcAbhZMDXP80Mxo/YxfkORViypRpHuFmhoVWz5jM5iy8iTmEQLy+SZlfIBImD UAZRM6ib4GvY2HPEd+lHB39A1TRuToMhyaj3rSgR/YWZcpUqbds= =/4qg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FPSMfAnLOwv3X9Vximk397W2ke6I4nwwT--