From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CAAF139694 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42F5CE0CD4; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mo6-p05-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p05-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5305::7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C851DE0CC5 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:24:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1490091876; l=1325; s=domk; d=akhuettel.de; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Date:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=mJB8f8hiUXFy0VAJTVDT639dJBBc6NgSxAhCf4Q0WHA=; b=NWOVBILcK3xWSFqyJd+ULUtxWro5gMBWJU0mSIAeX3nbIJ5jkTRhcMdwUJQXm08wcp 8RqkccDh2r857WiahpwRc6cSmSMXNySzm9uR499/utNROOirskkD/DzCfjwqyJ4fMMkw yYqjdrmd/tyPDX7+nBBMPHTGvFvEnnM1cyC/s= X-RZG-AUTH: :IW0NeWCpcPchHrcnS4ebzBgQnKHTmUiSF2JlOcy7+oEpS4QAEvKobI5I5w== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 Received: from porto.localnet (wj0425.dip.tu-dresden.de [141.76.97.169]) by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 40.1 AUTH) with ESMTPSA id 602465t2LAOUaXI (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:24:30 +0100 (CET) From: "Andreas K. Huettel" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Mike Frysinger , =?utf-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] sys-devel/autoconf: Convert from eblits into an eclass, #586424 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:24:39 +0100 Message-ID: <2240597.YoP4Ev77Vx@porto> Organization: Gentoo Linux In-Reply-To: <20170320083544.GZ24205@vapier> References: <20170316093806.31977-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <20170320083544.GZ24205@vapier> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: f7c0623b-86c8-4cae-90e7-c8e751a30dbe X-Archives-Hash: 6fad738d4a0360ec544aaee59cb7d3f6 Am Montag, 20. M=C3=A4rz 2017, 09:35:44 CET schrieb Mike Frysinger: > On 16 Mar 2017 10:38, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > Convert the usage of eblits in sys-devel/autoconf into an equivalent > > eclass. This makes the ebuilds more readable, more predictable and fixes > > compliance with stricter versions of the package manager (i.e. a future > > release of Portage). >=20 > obvious NAK until you sort out the open questions already raised about > the backwards breaking change you're trying to land in PMS. the point > of having EAPI's in the first place is that we don't break them, but > change the behavior across new versions. >=20 > your patches aren't fixing actual bugs, just things you "don't like". > -mike So what's so special about your packages that you *need* a hack as ugly as= =20 eblits? We killed them with fire in dev-lang/perl and are *very* happy with the=20 result. * the code size decreased a lot * it's actually readable now * and stable things stay stable for sure... After looking through the dev-lang/perl code (which was mostly identical to= =20 what is used in autoconf/...) +1 +1 +1 for banning eblits globally. "I like them" is not an argument. =2D-=20 Andreas K. H=C3=BCttel dilfridge@gentoo.org Gentoo Linux developer (council, perl, libreoffice)