From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RzCzR-0008JE-Md for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 20:04:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E4121E09D5; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 20:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B28E0985 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 20:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) by a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q1JK3DbM005082 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:03:13 +0100 Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.5/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1JK3DI8003923; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:03:13 +0100 Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q1JK3C30003922; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:03:12 +0100 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20289.21888.721981.45184@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:03:12 +0100 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default In-Reply-To: References: <201202151258.52431.vivo75@gmail.com> <20120215122252.GA12319@atrus.grandmasfridge.org> <20289.4544.982570.920405@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 23.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) From: Ulrich Mueller X-Archives-Salt: 4530f326-bed5-41f0-a936-54bc6b3390c2 X-Archives-Hash: c716f3613b8ffadc0552fd6b006fc4b3 >>>>> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Ben wrote: >>> In my opinion we should set a default environment with the >>> following values: >> >>> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 >>> LC_ALL= >>> LC_COLLATE=C >> >>> This offers the best default options to the majority of users, and >>> is easy to customize for those who wish to use another locale. >> >> At least, LC_NUMERIC=C should be added to this, otherwise numbers >> will be formatted with commas as thousands separators. >> >> Also en_US.UTF-8 for LC_MEASUREMENT and LC_PAPER means imperial >> units and letter paper, which isn't optimal for users outside of >> the U.S. > I think those users (and that includes myself) should then set LANG > to something more appropriate to their use case. And why should we set the default to an US locale then? IMHO something like LANG=C LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 would be much less intrusive if you just want UTF-8, without influencing other i18n variables. Ulrich