From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF9421584F2 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gentoo.org (bobolink.gentoo.org [140.211.166.189]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay-lists.gentoo.org@gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DBBFC343188 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bobolink.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2392B1103E2; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fout-a4-smtp.messagingengine.com (fout-a4-smtp.messagingengine.com [103.168.172.147]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E8F111037F for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phl-compute-08.internal (phl-compute-08.phl.internal [10.202.2.48]) by mailfout.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C5D1382D12 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-02 ([10.202.2.163]) by phl-compute-08.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:01:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=khumba.net; h=cc :content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1741802483; x=1741888883; bh=uSEZqyfyG4 e7v77834LnedmWfAmgADFDsWDoqDAueYI=; b=hgS1srJyPzA66g9/IFNmIRfboK 2NjWJ7dr3mJDvRccTBrGMk/GeunYxJJUYK0oNUxMM56YiSVufEjb8KlIgBQpJHDF 9pvJs6CizEM2AO57Y1ELfYLfCXgb3FUxgJ2Bp1XPZlNgYEqzhiOIOZA72FgFMV9d yVq40Khj6RhKeQ7gtGuHfO6tWuVpieI4fC7KCpPCebwi33TdXmxmhcZoEY23Dq/1 VA7Hniu5coUMAyulXeRz5IqGrOoXfcCqSMb2LAx9FnKhYnPay7vBRvaJok8xLLPu siOp5u6PgjKbjTN3muByTcTlNaT+egWc5lxPNYk+vLRZENafy61iUuCTtvxw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to :to:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t= 1741802483; x=1741888883; bh=uSEZqyfyG4e7v77834LnedmWfAmgADFDsWD oqDAueYI=; b=39LTnkb8Vu+NMZ33JQ3eGX3iO6VVBn/Q7bceeNHbq4X+6nizohA 9BmQLcHgvpcjXxqy9FyvNr469fxLIEZtxuyg+UfSOlhQSiVsErz+OZsJcgZTjZW+ Vr23TE9uHLzE67wemytWFFcefzWEu4aaTAexjrxtSinyMBGigstpSn1yEUjmcKKY hLGp71hJ1zGzaqVluI912oR3dEYRCzrrvX4m7Yj+MCSLDhaE2YXxTmuECDPGaOtV cNZeIUReFwzEnwyeKyzifkAgsGt4YUUrBsW2IsF8NI/iS7lYfQ8NFRvWwx8oYU8b SSVv/yRLbZhQhUB5ceqcHOeO9j571G9B7OA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgdduvdehjeefucetufdoteggodetrf dotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggv pdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhf fvuffkjghfgggtsehgtderredttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeeurhihrghnucfirghrughinhgv rhcuoegsohhgsehkhhhumhgsrgdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepgfejvedute evfeduudeileelteduteefteehvdfhkeeiveffgeejteegleevleelnecuvehluhhsthgv rhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepsghogheskhhhuhhmsggrrd hnvghtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthho pehgvghnthhoohdquggvvheslhhishhtshdrghgvnhhtohhordhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: id1b14406:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 11:01:15 -0700 From: Bryan Gardiner To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages Message-ID: <20250312110115.52ef3783@khumba.net> In-Reply-To: <64ec26fc-4623-4018-91b1-36d0e3061b77@gentoo.org> References: <20250310214009.57104603@alfredo.tupone.it> <7583388c-e0e1-47fa-95ab-8a0e0075bb59@gentoo.org> <64ec26fc-4623-4018-91b1-36d0e3061b77@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/UWnTDzGfPQ1Df92KBLIw7qQ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Archives-Salt: 46ae028d-49ec-4167-a8f1-be89289b6608 X-Archives-Hash: 0d5b08de2b98f83813005fafec14c02c --Sig_/UWnTDzGfPQ1Df92KBLIw7qQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:42:49 -0400 Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 3/10/25 4:53 PM, Maciej Bar=C4=87 wrote: > > Hi! > > =20 > >> Although maybe it should be sci-ml. =20 > >=20 > > Let's _not_ use *-ml since for us ml stands for OCaml (which comes from > > ML - "Meta langauge"). > >=20 > > sci-ai, dev-ai, and app-ai (say, "app-ai/ollama"?) are nice IMO. =20 >=20 >=20 > - please don't top-post >=20 > - Let's _not_ use *-ai since AI stands for generative artificial > intelligence which most of these packages are not, even according to > the intended use of the *-ai term in this thread >=20 > I don't understand your argument at all. "ml" is hardly a reserved > concept, and dev-ml exists precisely for "libraries and utilities > relevant to the ML programming language", which isn't going to get > confused with sci-ml/ for the same reason nobody would dream of > searching in sci-cpp/ for "scientific software written in C++", as the > emphasis is on *science* and naturally brings the concept of machine > learning to mind. >=20 > I could argue that "AI" is too confusing of a term to use because it is > the name of the pale-throated sloth (and because there are other > abbreviations that are DEEPLY not on topic for this mailing list). But > fortunately people possess the ability to recognize context, and will > recognize that Gentoo packages are not talking about members of the > animal kingdom. They will also recognize sci-machine-learning when they > see it. >=20 > Or, we could bite the bullet and stop clinging "short and witty two-word > categories". >=20 > Let's call it "sci-machine-learning/". How about "sci-learn/"? Not too long, and too ambiguous. > But obviously, whatever we call it shouldn't feel like deceptive > trickery to the people ***using*** the packages from this proposed new > category. So I oppose anything with the name "ai" in it, as it's way too > specific, unless it is strictly limited to e.g. ollama, which isn't > actually packaged in ::gentoo and isn't actually on topic as a result. 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