From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32301138359 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 15:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99E69E0958; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 15:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DA37E0951 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 15:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 10:37:46 -0500 From: Aaron Bauman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] A feedback about the CI bug reporting system Message-ID: <20201106153746.GC416449@samurai> References: <2044703.irdbgypaU6@spectre> <2b0ecad117d3f27e9250d22ffe9249ac67a59f7f.camel@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2b0ecad117d3f27e9250d22ffe9249ac67a59f7f.camel@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: d338f3a6-bb9f-4667-8d43-5907276eb45b X-Archives-Hash: 310066c7af0c1bfd55ea75094475073c --ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 06, 2020 at 10:14:30AM +0100, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Fri, 2020-11-06 at 08:21 +0100, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: > > Hello all, > >=20 > > 6 months have been passed after the CI system started to file bug repor= ts. > > ~ 4700 bugs have been submitted > >=20 > > We _know_ that atm is not possible to set a specific summary, instead a= =20 > > generic summary is used in case of compile failures and test failures. > > There are also some documented limitations. >=20 > I do disagree with your presumption that this needs to be automated. > The whole point behind providing a service is that you should be ready > to dedicate *your* time into the service. However, we keep feeling that > you assume that your time is too precious, and it is better to waste > a little bit of everybody else's time. This is why Toralf's effort is > much more appreciated. > ACK. This is the same level of coordination the security team received when a multitude of bugs were filed once ago discovered fuzzing. It was lots of bugs, little information, inabilities to reproduce various crashes, invalid ratings/severity levels, and often a blog that simply regurgitated the same inaccuracies. Any attempt to ask/coordinate was met with lack of information or simply "see my blog" responses. The only time interaction occured was when bugs were closed due to invalidity, lack of information, or severity/ratings downgraded. All this to say, I concur his actions seem to show that he believes his time is more precious than others and that "numbers matter" when it comes to opening bugs and CVE's. > To summarize, what your tinderboxing effort lacks is really a human > touch. You seem to have set the goal to file as many bugs as possible > automatically. I disagree with that, as I would like this effort to > focus on helping developers, not pursuing them. This requires a human > touch, not a machine lord. > This right here. --=20 Cheers, Aaron --ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEmv7M5qd5RX+UB+cwV6vTrTwY1fAFAl+lbcoACgkQV6vTrTwY 1fC2Kgf/RUufSk0rDs4sUJvPIEpUA7fUbm/hQi1FhoPkymHJgjd7wb+0982hobXc wAo7WpulGqqjGcyAWCksCEowedjWiEV/DNdRL1qQGR3TOo3AVAnrsEItUbseZz6Y TVCTCoUEs9AEEJdaZH34aP+t0ZXorOXSoNTw1FOQ7raRPujjCcrVcQekqKe9my8l FFXk5FkC/DLdxP09gA4NJVCL985H060xNJse3X7f363nBB3qKxLPCNipiXSV6Eb/ MJE80IJzGmcdkTsbEXpPzAhvQSXZu11GCKx83DaiY1fAH/oa2G1Zq/hMPwmPjJaU qlJ3hnl/VCsjHJ2rb8dYChynX2karA== =lms4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz--