* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
2019-12-05 0:15 [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages Aaron Bauman
@ 2019-12-05 0:28 ` Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
2019-12-05 1:00 ` Aaron Bauman
2019-12-05 1:22 ` Robert Förster
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From: Michael 'veremitz' Everitt @ 2019-12-05 0:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: bman
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On 05/12/19 00:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> Fellow devs,
<snip>
> dev-python/sqlitecachec
> dev-python/supervisor-quick
> dev-python/python-cdb
> dev-python/fabric
^ https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/ is a fork of fabric for py3.4+
FYI. Also on PyPi at https://pypi.org/project/Fabric3/.
> dev-python/foolscap
> net-fs/tahoe-lafs
> dev-python/pyvtk
<snip>
HTH,
veremitz/Michael.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
2019-12-05 0:28 ` Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
@ 2019-12-05 1:00 ` Aaron Bauman
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From: Aaron Bauman @ 2019-12-05 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 12:28:04AM +0000, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote:
> On 05/12/19 00:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> > Fellow devs,
> <snip>
> > dev-python/sqlitecachec
> > dev-python/supervisor-quick
> > dev-python/python-cdb
> > dev-python/fabric
> ^ https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/ is a fork of fabric for py3.4+
> FYI. Also on PyPi at https://pypi.org/project/Fabric3/.
> > dev-python/foolscap
> > net-fs/tahoe-lafs
> > dev-python/pyvtk
> <snip>
>
> HTH,
> veremitz/Michael.
>
Ah, you found a false positive as well. Fixing it up now.
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Cheers,
Aaron
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
2019-12-05 0:15 [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages Aaron Bauman
2019-12-05 0:28 ` Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
@ 2019-12-05 1:22 ` Robert Förster
2019-12-05 2:56 ` Thomas Deutschmann
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From: Robert Förster @ 2019-12-05 1:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On 05.12.2019 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> dev-python/nototools
> media-fonts/noto-emoji
^ these two recent-ish gained python3 support upstream in a new released
version
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
2019-12-05 0:15 [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages Aaron Bauman
2019-12-05 0:28 ` Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
2019-12-05 1:22 ` Robert Förster
@ 2019-12-05 2:56 ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-12-05 3:06 ` William Hubbs
2019-12-05 7:24 ` Michał Górny
2019-12-05 6:55 ` Poncho
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From: Thomas Deutschmann @ 2019-12-05 2:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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Hi,
On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> * Removal in 30 days
Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all
know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days...
There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software.
net-nntp/sabnzbd is a perfect example. Up to date in repository and working.
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Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
2019-12-05 2:56 ` Thomas Deutschmann
@ 2019-12-05 3:06 ` William Hubbs
2019-12-05 3:20 ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-12-05 7:24 ` Michał Górny
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From: William Hubbs @ 2019-12-05 3:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 03:56:05AM +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> > * Removal in 30 days
>
> Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all
> know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days...
>
> There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software.
>
> net-nntp/sabnzbd is a perfect example. Up to date in repository and working.
Are you volunteering to maintain it or open an upstream bug and askthem
to move to py3?
I tend to think that we should either get py2 only software to move to
py3 or remove it.
William
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2019-12-05 3:06 ` William Hubbs
@ 2019-12-05 3:20 ` Thomas Deutschmann
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From: Thomas Deutschmann @ 2019-12-05 3:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On 2019-12-05 04:06, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 03:56:05AM +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
>> On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
>>> * Removal in 30 days
>>
>> Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all
>> know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days...
>>
>> There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software.
>>
>> net-nntp/sabnzbd is a perfect example. Up to date in repository and working.
First, this was just an example.
For sabnzbd I know that upstream is working on Py3 support. It will
happen somewhere in 2020...
I expect this for most software still in use.
My point was a general note: I don't understand why we should rush and
kick out software without Py3 support *yet* when Py2 is still a thing.
Sure, we will reach the point when Py2 is only needed by 1-2 packages
and at this point we can start discussing to drop them including entire
Py2 support. But this will take 1-2 years...
I mean: OpenSSL-1.0.2x will go EOL on 2019-12-31... I don't see us
masking <openssl-1.1.x before that date or even months later. It will
still be around for quite some time...
And I think same is true for Py2.
There's also an important difference: Thanks to our Python
implementation, you can set your system to use Py3 by default for
everything but still keep a slotted Py2 around for stuff which wasn't
ported yet. That's not possible for OpenSSL-1.0.2x for example...
> Are you volunteering to maintain it or open an upstream bug and askthem
> to move to py3?
...and sometimes I am also just a user. I cannot maintain all software I
use :-)
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Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
2019-12-05 2:56 ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-12-05 3:06 ` William Hubbs
@ 2019-12-05 7:24 ` Michał Górny
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From: Michał Górny @ 2019-12-05 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Thu, 2019-12-05 at 03:56 +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> > * Removal in 30 days
>
> Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all
> know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days...
>
> There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software.
>
Yes, there is. Not saying about any particular package out there but
the Python team is *overwhelmed*. We can't reasonably be expected to
maintain 1200+ packages, many of them requiring a lot of work.
It's easy to claim everything is all right without actually working
on it. Many of those packages may not pose problems in the next weeks.
Some of them probably already take part in the big 'target mishap' when
their dependencies dropped py2 support, and more will in the coming
weeks, months.
Now imagine that 500+ packages are depending on pytest that doesn't
support py2 anymore. And that number is probably far smaller than
reality because a lot of packages are bad quality and don't run tests
at all.
You people need to start thinking of terms of real benefit to users.
Keeping old, unmaintained, semi-broken packages has little benefit to
users. Quadruplicating maintenance burden effectively harms *active*
packages, and that is much more painful to users.
Do you think we'd be stuck with unmaintained Python 3.6 in stable if
people actively kicked stuff we can't maintain? Do you think we'd be
stuck with Python 3.7 packages being *unkeyworded* on almost all arches?
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Michał Górny
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
2019-12-05 0:15 [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages Aaron Bauman
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From: Poncho @ 2019-12-05 6:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: bman
On 05.12.19 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> Fellow devs,
[...]
> net-misc/trackma
> dev-python/inotifyx
> dev-python/disqus-python
> dev-python/figleaf
> dev-python/pysvg
a python-3 version is available at:
https://github.com/alorence/pysvg-py3
https://pypi.org/project/pysvg-py3/
> dev-python/sphinxcontrib-ditaa
> dev-python/pyrax
> dev-python/tgmochikit
[...]
Best regards,
Poncho
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2019-12-05 0:15 [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages Aaron Bauman
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2019-12-05 6:55 ` Poncho
@ 2019-12-05 10:00 ` Tobias Klausmann
2019-12-05 11:38 ` Gerion Entrup
2019-12-05 12:28 ` Alexis Ballier
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From: Tobias Klausmann @ 2019-12-05 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev, gentoo-dev-announce
Hi!
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> dev-python/eyeD3
> media-sound/abcde
> media-sound/gpodder
FWIW, eyeD3 has a Py3 (only!) version available. Since abcde is a
shell script that just calls the eyeD3 binary, the API changes
don't matter. And gpodder is Py3 only itself, so it can't have
used eyeD3 as a library. Also, this comment in
gpodder-3.10.5.ebuild:
# As in Fedora: re-enable
# >=dev-python/eyeD3-0.7[${PYTHON_USEDEP}] and
# ipod? ( media-libs/libgpod[python,${PYTHON_USEDEP}] ) once they
# support python3
I don't have an iPod, so I can't really test gpodder. But as it
is, it doesn't *actually* need eyeD3, and thus can be unmasked.
I'll see if I can bump eyeD3 to Py3 on the weekend, and clean it
up as well (it now has different deps etc). It do it now, but
properly testing abcde requires access to a CD drive and I don't
have that 'til the weekend.
Best,
Tobias
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From: Gerion Entrup @ 2019-12-05 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw
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Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 01:15:48 CET schrieb Aaron Bauman:
> dev-python/pycdio
Has Python 3 support since 2.1 (released in August this year). Developed by libcdio itself.
> app-text/pdfshuffler
Was last rited a few day ago. As I said, pdfarranger (https://github.com/jeromerobert/pdfarranger) seems to be the modern follow up project.
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From: Alexis Ballier @ 2019-12-05 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On Wed, 2019-12-04 at 19:15 -0500, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> * Removal in 30 days
>
IMHO masking with unfixed, or much later, removal date will better help
achieve your goal: You are making your point by having them masked so
that it will make enough noise for interested people to understand py2
only is not a thing anymore.
We already see a lot of "false positives", there are probably packages
that just work but are lacking attention. If after a longer time those
packages are still not fixed, you can probably safely remove them with
the "meh, nobody cares anyway" reason and not even bother having to
check hundreds (?) of packages yourself. The 30 days is usually a
guideline for packages that have known issues but seems a bit short for
checking if someone cares about a package using a deprecated but
working python.
Also, your list is missing dev-ros/* which is py2 only. I hope I'll be
able to update them soon, last time I tried I failed miserably though
since the whole stack is really python-single style so that one broken
package with py3 causes the whole stack to be py2...
Alexis.
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