From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90699138334 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71959E09DC; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 275DDE09D6 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sf (tunnel547699-pt.tunnel.tserv1.lon2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f1c:3e6::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: slyfox) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84F7934D396 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:38:15 +0000 From: Sergei Trofimovich To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/6] nix and guix GID/UID assignments Message-ID: <20191125203815.51d2c7c2@sf> In-Reply-To: <6b096adb8238ef78dfa843865b6be6f0483d81a0.camel@gentoo.org> References: <20191124124616.691759-1-slyfox@gentoo.org> <20191124132356.5e1021bf@sf> <20191124203504.74937eea@sf> <139dd6ae99d13ddf68aac96c65120d9870620ef0.camel@gentoo.org> <20191125202810.0bbecdf5@sf> <6b096adb8238ef78dfa843865b6be6f0483d81a0.camel@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: de6ff726-da40-465f-830c-041008aeeb5d X-Archives-Hash: 0528fd705fd6d5e0fc896a771d5a5ed1 On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 21:32:18 +0100 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 20:28 +0000, Sergei Trofimovich wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:24:08 +0100 > > David Seifert wrote: > > =20 > > > On Sun, 2019-11-24 at 20:35 +0000, Sergei Trofimovich wrote: =20 > > > > On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:19:36 +0100 > > > > Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Sergei Trofimovich wrote: =20 > > > > > > I interpreted 'reserved' as 'free to use' on > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Quality_Assurance/UID_GID_= Assignment > > > > > > Can you tweak it to someting other than 'reserved' so it would = be > > > > > > clear? =20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > That's what the "Notes" column was intended for. > > > > > =20 > > > > > > I'll use 60001 .. 60999 / 61001 .. 61999. Is it free though? > > > > > > '60001..65533' claims to also be 'reserved' as well. =20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Debian is also using the range above 60000 for allocations that > > > > > won't > > > > > fit into the low range. Theoretically, there is some overlap with > > > > > systemd dynamic users (61184..65519), but IIUC assigning other UI= Ds > > > > > in > > > > > that range isn't a problem, as long as there are enough free IDs > > > > > left. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Another question, the above are about 2000 users and 2000 groups. > > > > > Does that imply that we will eventually end up with 4000 packages > > > > > in acct-{user,group}? =20 > > > >=20 > > > > Should be 2000 users, 2 groups. Worst case it's 2002 packages, yes. > > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > For a package manager that likely only 3 Gentoo users in the world us= e? =20 > >=20 > > I'll avoid debating you scientific method of deriving that number. > > What is your threshold? 10 users? 1000 users? 100000 users? =20 >=20 > Could you provide some numbers on performance impact of having that many > users? In particular on systems using plain text passwd database. >=20 > > =20 > > > I don't consider that particularly helpful, and am very much inclined > > > to oppose that. =20 > >=20 > > I'm fine with current use of user.eclass if QA grants nix and guix an > > exception to use user.eclass indefinitely instead of GLEP-81 layout. =20 >=20 > I would rather be inclined to give nix and guix a special privilege of > being moved to an overlay. It seems so far that they are unjustly > trying to assume growing number of privileges they have no claim for, > and trying to run their own non-Gentoo shop inside Gentoo for no good > reason. As always great choice of words. So be it. --=20 Sergei