[gentoo-dev] Deprecation and removal of 13.0 profiles is imminent

[gentoo-dev] Deprecation and removal of 13.0 profiles is imminent

[Sergei Trofimovich]

Tl;DR: 13.0 profiles will be removed some time soon unless there are
enough reports broken on 13.0->17.0 switch.

13.0 profiles been a while in Gentoo tree and are already deprecated
on some arches but not everywhere.

If you have problems using 17.0 profiles as a default please file a bug
and pile it against against the tracker bug (fresh one):
    https://bugs.gentoo.org/672960

Feel free to add toolchain@ and me (slyfox@) to CC for all obscure
bugs you see as those are probably related to toolchain defaults changes.

There is no defined timeline for removal yet as the breakage scope is
not clear. But to pick an arbitrary point in time to get order-of-magnitude:
in about 3 months 13.0 profiles will be gone (spring cleaning time).

-- 

  Sergei

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecation and removal of 13.0 profiles is imminent

[Sergei Trofimovich]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 00:25:04 +0000
Sergei Trofimovich <slyfox@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Tl;DR: 13.0 profiles will be removed some time soon unless there are
> enough reports broken on 13.0->17.0 switch.
> 
> 13.0 profiles been a while in Gentoo tree and are already deprecated
> on some arches but not everywhere.
> 
> If you have problems using 17.0 profiles as a default please file a bug
> and pile it against against the tracker bug (fresh one):
>     https://bugs.gentoo.org/672960

I filed a bunch of bugs to deprecate existing profile that rely on
'releases/13.0' profile snippet.

To deprecate a profile just drop a 'deprecated' file to profile dir
that targets to target for users to switch to. Example:
    https://bugs.gentoo.org/672960#c2
Note: package.desc still remains

At removal time we will delete both deprecated profiles and package.desc entries.

-- 

  Sergei

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecation and removal of 13.0 profiles is imminent

[Sergei Trofimovich]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:56:38 +0000
Sergei Trofimovich <slyfox@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 00:25:04 +0000
> Sergei Trofimovich <slyfox@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > Tl;DR: 13.0 profiles will be removed some time soon unless there are
> > enough reports broken on 13.0->17.0 switch.
> > 
> > 13.0 profiles been a while in Gentoo tree and are already deprecated
> > on some arches but not everywhere.
> > 
> > If you have problems using 17.0 profiles as a default please file a bug
> > and pile it against against the tracker bug (fresh one):
> >     https://bugs.gentoo.org/672960  
> 
> I filed a bunch of bugs to deprecate existing profile that rely on
> 'releases/13.0' profile snippet.
> 
> To deprecate a profile just drop a 'deprecated' file to profile dir
> that targets to target for users to switch to. Example:
>     https://bugs.gentoo.org/672960#c2
> Note: package.desc still remains
> 
> At removal time we will delete both deprecated profiles and package.desc entries.

A few months passed and we almost finished with a long tail.

To-be-deprecated profiles yet are:
  https://bugs.gentoo.org/673278
    prefix/linux-standalone/ppc64

+prefix@, what is our plan here? Can we drop at least empty
'deprecated' file to notify users?

  https://bugs.gentoo.org/673276
    hardened/linux/arm/armv6j
    hardened/linux/arm/armv7a

    hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/multilib/n32
    hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/multilib/n64
    hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/n32
    hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/n64
    hardened/linux/mips/multilib/n32
    hardened/linux/mips/multilib/n64
    hardened/linux/mips/n32
    hardened/linux/mips/n64

    hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32
    hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/32bit-userland
    hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/64bit-userland

+hardened@ (and +arm@, +mips@, +ppc@, +ppc64) ,
is it fine to redirect these to vanilla 17.0 profiles?

-- 

  Sergei

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecation and removal of 13.0 profiles is imminent

[Fabian Groffen]

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On 19-02-2019 22:52:10 +0000, Sergei Trofimovich wrote:
> A few months passed and we almost finished with a long tail.
> 
> To-be-deprecated profiles yet are:
>   https://bugs.gentoo.org/673278
>     prefix/linux-standalone/ppc64
> 
> +prefix@, what is our plan here? Can we drop at least empty
> 'deprecated' file to notify users?

I cleaned it up, it isn't in use any more.

Thanks,
Fabian

-- 
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo on a different level

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecation and removal of 13.0 profiles is imminent

[Joshua Kinard]

On 2/19/2019 17:52, Sergei Trofimovich wrote:

>>> Tl;DR: 13.0 profiles will be removed some time soon unless there are
>>> enough reports broken on 13.0->17.0 switch.
>>>
>>> 13.0 profiles been a while in Gentoo tree and are already deprecated
>>> on some arches but not everywhere.
>>>

[snip]

> 
>     hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/multilib/n32
>     hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/multilib/n64
>     hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/n32
>     hardened/linux/mips/mipsel/n64
>     hardened/linux/mips/multilib/n32
>     hardened/linux/mips/multilib/n64
>     hardened/linux/mips/n32
>     hardened/linux/mips/n64
> 

[snip]

> 
> +hardened@ (and +arm@, +mips@, +ppc@, +ppc64) ,
> is it fine to redirect these to vanilla 17.0 profiles?

Speaking for mips, I can't think of any issues for the hardened/13.0
profiles.  The default 13.0 profiles should be left alone a bit longer,
though.  Transition shouldn't be a problem with those, as I last did a
catalyst run from Sept 18 to Nov 18 that had no issues, but end of year
obligations sidetracked me, so I need to eventually start over again with a
more recent catalyst run to make 17.0 stages available.

-- 
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
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