From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE6FE1382C5 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 96F3EE08DF; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asona.a21an.org (asona.a21an.org [109.74.200.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EDF7E08CE for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asona.a21an.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405wL04Rs0z2rFn for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:31:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at a21an.org Received: from asona.a21an.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (asona.a21an.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id 3ABjnuu2b3gU for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from angelfall.a21an.org (unknown [88.247.127.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asona.a21an.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 405wL0088Xz2pl9 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:31:25 +0300 From: Eray Aslan To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Mailing list moderation and community openness Message-ID: <20180321163125.GA16862@angelfall.a21an.org> References: <4aab96fa-0edb-6a28-791e-28e2103f2a30@gentoo.org> <20180320152848.2uzqzvotaqk5hlnm@gentoo.org> <20180321053601.GA4705@angelfall.a21an.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-Archives-Salt: 30db6721-4365-4797-b332-5945af8ee8f6 X-Archives-Hash: c20068b394dca3898f030e44c9a713f9 On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:44:48AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: > [1] Which isn't to say that I would accept 'orders' to commit crimes, or > other obviously bad things. This is the crux of the problem. There are certain lines you will not cross. I am saying that my line is different and by voicing that, hopefully, making you re-consider yours. > I'm again asserting that this idea is not > fundamentally bad. The community has a 'toxic people problem' and our > previous attempts at resolution have not really produced great results. > Will this also produce great results? Not sure. But willing to try it. Openness, transparency, inclusiveness. Those are some pretty fundemental values. Reconsider. But if you decide to go ahead, I am not going to judge you. You (or the council members who voted yes) are not bad persons. Just somewhat different values - which is surprising in a sad way. -- Eray