From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40DB51382C5 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99DBEE09BF; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40017E0991 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:e1cc:3::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: prometheanfire) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B8EA335C07 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:28:48 -0500 From: Matthew Thode To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Mailing list moderation and community openness Message-ID: <20180320152848.2uzqzvotaqk5hlnm@gentoo.org> References: <4aab96fa-0edb-6a28-791e-28e2103f2a30@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtcu5nl3qifoz6bt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4aab96fa-0edb-6a28-791e-28e2103f2a30@gentoo.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Archives-Salt: 5aa1c8db-1ec3-44f0-9ce4-76a00436f22e X-Archives-Hash: 5d6f9bd14f820f733b4784bdb17e090c --vtcu5nl3qifoz6bt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18-03-20 23:17:52, Michael Palimaka wrote: > I see that in bug #650964[1] Council is pushing forward again with > implementing user whitelisting on this mailing list (ie. anyone that is > not "approved" will have their mail rejected). >=20 > Could someone please explain how this doesn't directly contradict the > core tenets of an open and inclusive community? >=20 > 1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/650964 >=20 While I personally do no agree with mailing list moderation infra has been tasked with moving forward on it. In that vein, this is what we are proposing. Install and configure mailman3/hyperkitty/postorius once they all support python3. Specifically we wish to use docker-mailman for this so we can easilly redeploy this on diferent machines as needed. mailman3 gives us two good things, it has support for moderation (for better or worse) and it handles senders using dmarc. There are still some issues with it infra side (archiving will still have to use the old system) and moving mailing lists is going to be fun, but them the breaks. --=20 Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) --vtcu5nl3qifoz6bt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEExFR3cOKGRpGbcMHPZKN76q4ZpOgFAlqxKK8ACgkQZKN76q4Z pOiDwxAA0opZC0oC/o7zUqzV6+3/zRWrM15g8v803mnudlMeIDujF8AZC/0bXNRX xwm59W4tOyqPLGvXFMEODIoFA4C6bMc6zY3Kh4LaJce1+fvnmLArY6YojjzWDmNU ozjfmdSHXxQaiX+Eg0uxmIwT8rnVRTosefFIfbuVc0+f1FENbDF24AtBAVQ3vG6X TszudTcw4KXqtDugN2/DD1JMFpg+LX0T9vfpvDTevgwPqjI/Ev8KF5dPHoNcPO8m /tp6OIhWnXlhWvZl3/RU+ZMKBkiejgAFjMwYgqbjtANkd6X0n6fT3Yl3wvN1gAc/ qwjKFvrS/UsPQbVaurnAbexkcBsOay1+QaoXmnSrJZIS2HYrOdhpZzsS0UMfs4Et XKq+r+AZ1ewNoxt1Vzzg3PSuy3E8iRTrBBmvtI0hOHTJibzttWpy0f6ji30I8r3P NmTry5usJazV9mFRNQNiw7QYWei3MNPElXkivWdH8ZNLbrEqzgFgaw1CyGipNrGl liaRvv/SN3NePD8KjAT40fNGuuJZpLxrPc4VPU0dZP2AnMEcZpw0sVNCbnlReA1d 2+DidYJshUdUJAR0pR5KUnXSM3y8I2abqhqAg/04RLz9Jjgu1FiIA2wpfmFUJyHK 9e+Q1CmLcz5GqYN2YSsrt6ttNPf2T0F7tnapkYAZAjyL42qdNLw= =BxX9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtcu5nl3qifoz6bt--