From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9698F138330 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56D68E0D4C; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02BC3E0C40 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from abudhabi.paradoxon.rec (p54A9D1A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.169.209.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: polynomial-c) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97345335C43 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:30:57 +0100 From: Lars Wendler To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list Message-ID: <20180111093057.520d9001@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> In-Reply-To: <20180111070352.GA3712@angelfall.a21an.org> References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <20180110054855.GA4483@angelfall.a21an.org> <20180110085511.71b42c93@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <20180111070352.GA3712@angelfall.a21an.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/m7b9RKayqKUoLC_+QKqhmrh"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 50401b0b-1e7e-4014-b4f0-2be2a5df6ddc X-Archives-Hash: 184a77cf34a9b8ff32e09fe422ed871d --Sig_/m7b9RKayqKUoLC_+QKqhmrh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:03:54 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: >On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 08:55:11AM +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: >> Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... =20 > >Elitist seems too kind a word. Knee-jerk reaction, petty vendetta, >impulsive emotional reaction comes to mind - instead of articulating >and implementing a vision for the distribution, principled action, >making all devs work together towards the goals that have been set. >Not day to day reactions and bad ones at that. Council is failing its >one main task - it prolly has been for some time, this one also fails >"first, do no harm" test. A german term comes to my mind which applies perfectly to this: "Blinder Aktionismus" which roughly translates to "blind actionism". >Mind you they are not harming willingly. I am pretty sure they are all >well intentioned. They, as a group, just do not have, I dont know, the >vision, the experience, the personality to lead a distro. > >We need a change as otherwise I am afraid the future is not bright. I >think with this last straw I lost faith in the current setup. Death by >a committee. Yey. > I'm totally baffled that few people seem to know how to filter trolls out of their inboxes. In the past such trolls were treated with a "plonk" and all was good. But nowadays everything has to be ruled somehow. Ah well, it's only a disservice to our users. Nothing the council needs to worry about as they seem to have forgotten that they once were users as well... --=20 Lars Wendler Gentoo package maintainer GPG: 21CC CF02 4586 0A07 ED93 9F68 498F E765 960E 9B39 --Sig_/m7b9RKayqKUoLC_+QKqhmrh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEWCOBmo8i7LhvVmNAVx3S0DQ8YDkFAlpXIMEACgkQVx3S0DQ8 YDlROxAAjG3r9ZCIObpXo1cXDJBKrD5DALxoeMr3pbv8zE9G0IONBVkl2CyMM5h0 Y3wBw2LeqtNzKHht6gYgjNY5wpxSL8L3d0+whDSItzzfpGUyCpWCwCW2HEU6HMTt sOmiYjp3K3m3DZdWprLwXbVbLoVfDFDqCD5q6OrV+sUjVGg88fPDjecCTiP9YAZW 9fBQ97+9MyQ7gkq3qiElfGUIWkEE3LH36j6YKkrbqFfso+COPFTC27pmt0jnMvem 5xGCumn+GqjlsSWjXetoxiHrBsG8emLAKGOSC3fEtgNJBf+Yy8jK3/TydzzfxIWq CJYX07KA8ObTFtSvI9InGm/guXMCCpM3sWUoZW8p5QG1Bzx28IijOjkbQTayKsQg UNW9ZkGd04LGPUIAJOQ+mFN88mYVsUYh4u0wXcAwrXM3ddYsXdruQydS5wQ7Xm7l XgskaV3JNYrekRZ3jq2EI3bl7/n+YKu3pcgmGXLodSyRW3431dNCd/JBHdOQe303 s3gZ+0e+S1Fm27XWxz+KBfyY2Vpuf0w1ZRR7h5fOK/7/Ly5uDuieG/yxuEJVgabG sAaeGeAhOfXQfZGcEaN7kCi4lKf5S8w0ZsJcejyFFKSZJ1bSTJihDMxYW7d/XCjv iBbsGvzYFrMg/g9Ww2FS8W5NEfPJU9yBSUtAUyFnCBYA+oeDoio= =2qIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/m7b9RKayqKUoLC_+QKqhmrh--