From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D85E3138330 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C17FEE0D23; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60D49E0C40 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from abudhabi.paradoxon.rec (p54A9D1A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.169.209.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: polynomial-c) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF861335C43 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:21:49 +0100 From: Lars Wendler To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list Message-ID: <20180111092149.16bc5360@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> In-Reply-To: References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <1515578019.1284.3.camel@gentoo.org> <5a6d0b738c950857218087ea2fcde59d@thetys-retz.net> <75813970.FGjmUEszTi@pinacolada> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/DUMO8fhIZQ400cnbYsky343"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 31d66cf1-f3a5-46b7-9945-5cce18885625 X-Archives-Hash: 1e87fd216907f9b5b5f9512f67d6c2ce --Sig_/DUMO8fhIZQ400cnbYsky343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gordon, On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:37:39 -0600 Gordon Pettey wrote: >On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: >> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:12:47 +0100 as >> excerpted:=20 >>> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018, 18:16:33 CET schrieb Vincent-Xavier >>> JUMEL: =20 >>>> Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny a =C3=A9crit : =20 >>>> > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some >>>> > people prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has >>>> > nothing to do with making a distribution. =20 >>>> >>>> No it has. Giving power to a subset of users, denying interaction >>>> with future contributors unless they enroll is the eaxct way to >>>> kill Gentoo as a community ! =20 >>> >>> We wouldn't have needed to go this far if not for a few outside >>> trolls who >>> * keep pushing their personal agenda in endless threads, >>> * confuse their own inability to contribute with being a mistreated >>> underdog, >>> * and keep commenting opinionated on technical things they >>> plainly have no clue about (while whining when are told they sprout >>> bulls##t). >>> >>> We do not have a problem with "future contributors". I wager those >>> will rather increase in numbers once the list spam is gone. =20 >> >> >> This has been my biggest concern about the whole thing: >> >> Are we going to be nipping future devs in the bud because there's >> now too many hoops to jump thru too early, and it's simply not worth >> the trouble when they can (and will) go elsewhere where it's easier, >> >> OR >> >> Are we going to be lowering the unwelcoming noise, confusion and >> name- calling threshold and making the community more welcoming for >> those who have a serious interest, clearing out some of the stuff >> that could otherwise discourage them. >> >> >> It's pretty clear that council believes it's the latter, at least to >> the degree that they're willing to try it for a time, effectively a >> wager of sorts, but I don't believe anyone can honestly say what the >> real effect one way or the other will be until it /is/ tried. >> >> >> Personally, my viewpoint is that while over the last year or so there >> were some 1-2 level frustrating posters on a 5-point scale, it's >> nothing compared to the level-4 (direct name calling, just short of >> physical threats that justify getting the law involved) stuff that >> I've seen on this list in the some-years-distant past. In my mind, >> unquestionably that level-4 stuff required action, and it was taken. >> >> The recent stuff seems so much milder in comparison that IMO it's >> hard to see what the hubbub is all about, but there's certainly an >> argument to be made that the previous experience simply desensitized >> our detection meters, and that were it not for that, the recent >> stuff would seem rather more shocking and horrible than it does, and >> that even if it's /less/ horrible, it's horrible /enough/ that it >> remains unacceptable in a civilized society, and if we /do/ accept >> it, we're effectively pushing others that won't, out. =20 > >Given the quantity of relevant problem-mail that came from >@gentoo.org, maybe the glass house dwellers should be careful where >they aim their stones. I considered taking the dev quiz and everything >instead of just posting a few ebuilds on bugzilla years ago, but the >elitist, as Alex labelled it, voices from @gentoo.org are what made me >decide not to, and my decision keeps getting reinforced. That >impression has been there for years, and it's not getting better by >this. > very sad you got that impression. And unfortunately, I cannot even wholeheartedly deny that this is true. Given the fact that we are severely understaffed when it comes to active developers, I hope you will reconsider your decision at some point and start doing the quizzes. Kind regards --=20 Lars Wendler Gentoo package maintainer GPG: 21CC CF02 4586 0A07 ED93 9F68 498F E765 960E 9B39 --Sig_/DUMO8fhIZQ400cnbYsky343 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEWCOBmo8i7LhvVmNAVx3S0DQ8YDkFAlpXHp4ACgkQVx3S0DQ8 YDmHvA//XNda3Pzh+pW+XDIlpRulM+bPexMADAKan4b09rPHlJfzQ05VWZLcqK0D Uq0x9bSLbcZCzNWXnJ0rhQ8Z6CoSMF6APaNCo3XEQ4LQ7ZWyxh7o8AgvRLfHaA06 MbVrjaDM9DxIUyINgUZddQ0Yn42E9v53diQjBUlDmlVV4jCqM0hSHa2tHA6qR7Ol ZM49u09fLh2COZLbnRp5H1Pg1P/OWpSh3b5uG7VzO/DMiJocCaUrg/WIwpM1e8OE Dg3WoxIGtOBLO70kRpfGPwkQSRz3QxefPTKUp4QVFPzZcm6QPk3fcG1+mQllW43W 0YGm+wo5FErScgoEzrl4WhKfrKzYTFej58bnQuA7YgeBgqqm2DHCYCeqmL251BJM uE3U9E9UiriORlxX/mvexLzjmGM8hSJXTSUODXQwO/fhRVxRyvG4+4fOfkNfj2px AL67MYMWgczVvlhEOJbviu6RH9VnQ7vJZRFteJNbrRgN9inN8Olk9kx/iIkN0OC6 Seougsa/PBzaadXAInHifumVX958OlrHSSfF1M5ERFIi7mj9E7C9vaHuAdH5iquS aMtfPMVz2+ZrGdIYIKTWoOQZdZXJcYw549h/bMNTD8yqN9/apeue0SasgcRMg93y zyVVvUJv/rC75yGHbj0rNsz4MoFxPQRGKyB15VY9b0wFcLWW8aQ= =0VlT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/DUMO8fhIZQ400cnbYsky343--