From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32F5D138330 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F308AE0CB5; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asona.a21an.org (asona.a21an.org [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe96:53cb]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FDD2E0C40 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asona.a21an.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zHH146BFjz2ppS for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:04:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at a21an.org Received: from asona.a21an.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (asona.a21an.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id NdviQrhuCK1f for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from angelfall.a21an.org (unknown [88.247.127.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asona.a21an.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zHH135JKKz2phk for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:03:54 +0300 From: Eray Aslan To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list Message-ID: <20180111070352.GA3712@angelfall.a21an.org> References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <20180110054855.GA4483@angelfall.a21an.org> <20180110085511.71b42c93@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180110085511.71b42c93@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-Archives-Salt: 330c5160-2398-4ee6-a645-f4552bca08d5 X-Archives-Hash: f18d4141521571a3c30fe94d3a370663 On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 08:55:11AM +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: > Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... Elitist seems too kind a word. Knee-jerk reaction, petty vendetta, impulsive emotional reaction comes to mind - instead of articulating and implementing a vision for the distribution, principled action, making all devs work together towards the goals that have been set. Not day to day reactions and bad ones at that. Council is failing its one main task - it prolly has been for some time, this one also fails "first, do no harm" test. Mind you they are not harming willingly. I am pretty sure they are all well intentioned. They, as a group, just do not have, I dont know, the vision, the experience, the personality to lead a distro. We need a change as otherwise I am afraid the future is not bright. I think with this last straw I lost faith in the current setup. Death by a committee. Yey. -- Eray