From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25608139694 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15E351FC169; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCC201FC0FC for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [46.148.226.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bircoph) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AB16341987; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:24:51 +0300 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: wg-stable@gentoo.org, arch-leads@gentoo.org, alpha@gentoo.org, amd64@gentoo.org, amd64-fbsd@gentoo.org, arm@gentoo.org, arm64@gentoo.org, hppa@gentoo.org, ia64@gentoo.org, m68k@gentoo.org, mips@gentoo.org, ppc@gentoo.org, ppc64@gentoo.org, s390@gentoo.org, sh@gentoo.org, sparc@gentoo.org, x86@gentoo.org, x86-fbsd@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? Message-Id: <20170729132451.cb6518a8d04a6490b5daee3e@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Sat__29_Jul_2017_13_24_51_+0300_Pai4X6jSddVY3KgH" X-Archives-Salt: 13505018-16ea-4524-b0b5-3b56c6ee8d8e X-Archives-Hash: c8dc890f8af99bc2f66dd079415d7ef8 --Signature=_Sat__29_Jul_2017_13_24_51_+0300_Pai4X6jSddVY3KgH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 18:12:52 -0500 Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Sergei Trofimovich > wrote: >=20 > > TL;DR;TL;DR: > > > [...] >=20 > Here's a data point you may, or may not, find relevant. in 16 years of > using Gentoo exclusively, the only one time I used stable on one machine > for about 2 years it ended up being much more of a pain than unstable. > Actually, I can't say I have anything to complain about unstable. On my > critical machines I snapshot the system subvolume before I update. I can't > remember the last time I had to roll back. +1 I do not use stable, even in production. Too few packages, too old versions, too long time to stabilize newer versions. I'm just OK with ~arch. > I'm sure most will disagree with me but since you're indirectly asking for > my opinion here it is: I think people working on stable are wasting their > time. But who am I to stop them... I support stable in my packages, but mostly because I have to. One of the real benefits from the stable for me is stabilization process which sometimes uncovers otherwise undetected problems. Of course there are people who use stable, I respect their opinion; they have different use cases, practices, experience. So I'm not asking to abandon stable, just explaining that for me and my cases it is mostly useless. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko --Signature=_Sat__29_Jul_2017_13_24_51_+0300_Pai4X6jSddVY3KgH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE63ZIHsdeM+1XgNer9lNaM7oe5I0FAll8YnMACgkQ9lNaM7oe 5I1oMhAAvGz4iExBgGGj57iQIJgO5B0nZswekk9AoU4pCCd+QfH5x1VAELI1PlHT XsihZkgnE27LIXAHm6Dx+cKSknIXoRGzpe6KjZjd4EjoHAyd6sU58AO4wQNsqshr sxB+muHryDdg9cFxpdmqZCD2eG11hcIOBbjBocClyz24SCHQehyQRH1TSSs8jYbc M3kimOuz9bnALSdwhSr1ZOViMrQ/P+gFwKCgslWChrdoLrRwfuWxB0jjHAtqhgTw Yjdzt4QPCeQ0Vr8p0v+CtEr3gxfybuCevGQOeMAASDtvDeoyY/cWWb3V3yBVIKEt CmvgUBPx5sSISKRxOcVEwm5TPPaxAHtYbyULhiAIASgozY1+NxxkMN1KbB2rJSWF lHGQAAnTCwEJSTeBEzondmV7bDN8pK37BjaA85dO+IfhlEEyRdEAvZAC4opq+t4v NG5NuPwutnSqQtgKyZhjtMg9bv5dkwZ0itFTY/xVXduYlysQx6DSn4+fveSlGVQ7 kzF6R9DVb8/WzEpSUNPl8wMYrgqF6Xiz0jHhubCzk5J++lFnkJ9JPW45p0GL4pFI ixKbGwevr9iYLNVYw2CFaVjJrUN5xhQzV/qVQnLvqiB/7P8Qv3sELOqoUi3C/htT z+ynfVkMFwr+/mdb07bn0JVkec3xjic8u1QBVToxDnKyNsoQyaI= =eRFx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sat__29_Jul_2017_13_24_51_+0300_Pai4X6jSddVY3KgH--