From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 034BF139694 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 872A721C16C; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C120E0C5C for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id v203so3862717wmg.0 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:00:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gapcjl9Iso93hjMgCbjccnifhRtlx3CY7RTedOOc/ZQ=; b=nKqw9xz/CWX9AOqYxolH9dhHMSgU0wkyZcKI40WIcMDd884FTjcd/+qm2OwopSz65q OjkEyg2YSZGKwAFgkKlwI8Zu1li5QmgeBcvhJbKYzamFMpQB1MPmZ3bXxYIlhskRlKe6 rq21+f2ENkYkNpyUEwTBzaoiHGY09B8WAvVpmSG4i6JYAGXNaP5jc2sCDQLeZyqKqx3S d2eTzKI7gklLoHqBKyjJ12BhVaMZfRlsfJasmoQ4R6cS9m52GPmtKlMwljH0qcT9wnCk 0w1068IyDaXzvi6c3RFCm3/MBZ46dedPMg5kjDfUo8yK3VOMt8ent2VrQlw2w/0S+g9R 58Sg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gapcjl9Iso93hjMgCbjccnifhRtlx3CY7RTedOOc/ZQ=; b=rWyEtLcx7LgYsbDfo5X74S+27aQX8yYCLMKo3CqA3G1C5ZW8zwrl6HPNtopZ5sYaej OZ66QoJbPy1hqcJ8fmSC9Sn3JFgU7ZyDZZrc07UtT465aOMdSL5u0ecTiqcsvAkI9lOk qz0DDk6Z/8XTNkW+sQwoZj5gkdHGY4mKvgXDd80H0jihqK0as7a6Es9OZVmBrml5dsXD ETFNTlJswrzunIOW3xzzEMMvAe9xu5iUgHtsTdGPyLnn9M0zIeu2VfcqQmRdMG3NGcuW VC4tP0Q5dDZZ2L9NvjnrGD6Ctw9vz6ulwCiSdxK+B957LNHF6LHKFNswkkU1sAB3PuCn uVcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H12fnAwrmkwghZ2imwODGJR02M3JPvqoAvQjQprvmQC/zATLjWYp7F8KOavDOVIcQ== X-Received: by 10.28.236.209 with SMTP id h78mr15212641wmi.97.1490295603790; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowblower (cpc14-broo7-2-0-cust7.14-2.cable.virginm.net. [82.0.20.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k32sm1970130wre.18.2017.03.23.12.00.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:00:00 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] sys-devel/autoconf: Convert from eblits into an eclass, #586424 Message-ID: <20170323190000.6f8a34bf@snowblower> In-Reply-To: <20170323195213.406ba9f8@gentoo.org> References: <20170316093806.31977-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <20170320083544.GZ24205@vapier> <2240597.YoP4Ev77Vx@porto> <1652433.oqbzW57v8l@porto> <20170323105101.0f622f66@gentoo.org> <1490288005.1534.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170323195213.406ba9f8@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e4f24baa-0e41-4f75-b705-bb41eb65ee5f X-Archives-Hash: af7cdecfa04971324d113c74314207a8 On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:52:13 +0100 Alexis Ballier wrote: > > Do you think really think it's fine for maintainer to: > > > > 1. go against best practices, principle of least surprise and > > basically make it harder for anyone else to touch the ebuild (-> aim > > for bus factor of 1 and/or making himself indispensable)? > > This is very (too) subjective. It's really not. eblits are the result of vapier being vapier, and just shoving stuff into the tree without review rather than doing things properly. This stuff matters: Gentoo needs to be actively improving the quality of the tree so that progress can be made, not fighting a losing battle to stop it from getting even worse. -- Ciaran McCreesh