[gentoo-dev] Inquiry about research paper

[gentoo-dev] Inquiry about research paper

[Jaewon Choi]

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Dear Gentoo Devs,

Hello, my name is Irvin Choi I am student from Dwight School Seoul, and I
am writing a extended essay within IB (ibo.org) curriculum research paper
about systemd, service manager for Linux/GNU operating system. There are
few questions that I would like to ask to broaden my understanding
regarding systemd, and I would like to kindly ask you to answer them to
best of your ability.

It is very important for my research paper, as the research paper plays
huge role in my high school curriculum and possibly my future. I would like
to mention that, I may use your questions on the research paper for
credibility purposes.

Here are the questions (please consider explaining your answers and avoid
short answers):

1) Who are you and what do you do for the community?

2) What do you think of the systemd as a service manager? Do you have an
opinion about its pros and cons?

3) What do you think users of the distribution thinks about the systemd? Do
you think they favor systemd? If not, why so?

4) Through my research, I was able to see that there are existing service
managers such as upstart, sysvinit, and others. Why did systemd become the
standard over the others in most of the distributions? Was it worth the
replacement of existing service manager that is seen to be reliable?

5) What changes that do you think systemd should make to improve itself?
For instance, ‘typing systemctl everytime is bothersome. Systemd should
shorten it to sctl instead.)

6) There are lots of Linux/GNU users across the world. To what users are
systemd intended for? Do you think systemd is useful for the servers
administrators, desktop users, laptop users, or others?

7) I’ve heard that there are lots of debate about systemd and it really got
heated at one point, involving personal opinions, politics, and others.
What was the cause and how did it get resolved (if at all)?

8) Is there anything else you would like to tell me about systemd?

Thank you very much time.. It means a lot for me, as I am really interested
in Linux/GNU system, and this became the opportunity to broaden my
understanding.

Have a great day.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Inquiry about research paper

[Rich Freeman]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Jaewon Choi <1500084@dwight.or.kr> wrote:
>
> 2) What do you think of the systemd as a service manager? Do you have an
> opinion about its pros and cons?
>

Picking a random question here.

Can I ask that people respond privately by email and not to the list?
A few reasons:

1.  Replying to the list virtually guarantees a running debate in the
100+ post range.
2.  Replying privately probably will give a better sampling anyway,
rather than having reactions to reactions to reactions.
3.  Everything that anybody is going to say has been said 1000 times
before.  Seriously, nobody is actually going to learn anything factual
good or bad about systemd this way that they couldn't learn in a
million other ways.

I'm not knocking the original request.  And if Jaewon wants to
summarize his findings (perhaps by audience, since I see he posted
this elsewhere as well), that might be interesting in useful.

I just don't want to see this turning into that email thread that
intends to set the story straight once and for all.  :)

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Inquiry about research paper

[Kent Fredric]

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:19:54 +0900
Jaewon Choi <1500084@dwight.or.kr> wrote:

> 8) Is there anything else you would like to tell me about systemd?

Side note, as its not clear from the nature of the question if this factor is
known:

Gentoo is one of the few distributions that supports *not* using systemd,
or using systemd, at the users discretion.

Reasonable amounts of effort is employed to make this possible, including
forking `udev` out of systemd as `eudev`, so that users can have a systemd-free
openrc implementation.

And I believe that the `eudev + openrc` approach is the default user experience
and users have to consciously opt to use systemd instead if they desire it.

Subsequently, you may find the Gentoo audience an atypical sample, in that
many of its users or devs may be naive about systemd, or atypically anti-systemd

And you may get weird sampling biases if the users who don't use systemd read
the questions as stated, because they may be disinclined to respond due to lack
of relevancy to them ( due to naivety ), or may be over-inclined to respond due
to strong opinions for, or against.

By all means, continue to ask questions, but do take extra cautions here in
result interpretation from Gentoo.

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