[gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Michał Górny]

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Hello, everyone.

The Ada project seriously needs help. For some time already, it has no
active developers (George is retiring), and a lot of bugs needing
attention.

The packages maintained by aga@g.o are:

app-eselect/eselect-gnat
dev-ada/asis-gcc
dev-ada/charles
dev-lang/gnat-gcc
virtual/ada
virtual/gnat

Since the Ada subsystem in Gentoo is practically unmaintained now
and has only those two packages, the alternative is to lastrite it all.

Is anyone interested in Ada? Any comments?

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Christopher Head]

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:59:50 +0100
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Hello, everyone.
> 
> The Ada project seriously needs help. For some time already, it has no
> active developers (George is retiring), and a lot of bugs needing
> attention.
> 
> The packages maintained by aga@g.o are:
> 
> app-eselect/eselect-gnat
> dev-ada/asis-gcc
> dev-ada/charles
> dev-lang/gnat-gcc
> virtual/ada
> virtual/gnat
> 
> Since the Ada subsystem in Gentoo is practically unmaintained now
> and has only those two packages, the alternative is to lastrite it
> all.
> 
> Is anyone interested in Ada? Any comments?
> 

I notice sci-electronics/ghdl is not in this list. Is it considered
part of this? It depends on gnat-gcc. I guess it would also be lost if
the above were given last rites?
-- 
Christopher Head

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[M. J. Everitt]

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On 14/12/16 08:26, Christopher Head wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:59:50 +0100
> Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> The Ada project seriously needs help. For some time already, it has no
>> active developers (George is retiring), and a lot of bugs needing
>> attention.
>>
>> The packages maintained by aga@g.o are:
>>
>> app-eselect/eselect-gnat
>> dev-ada/asis-gcc
>> dev-ada/charles
>> dev-lang/gnat-gcc
>> virtual/ada
>> virtual/gnat
>>
>> Since the Ada subsystem in Gentoo is practically unmaintained now
>> and has only those two packages, the alternative is to lastrite it
>> all.
>>
>> Is anyone interested in Ada? Any comments?
>>
> I notice sci-electronics/ghdl is not in this list. Is it considered
> part of this? It depends on gnat-gcc. I guess it would also be lost if
> the above were given last rites?
Following this theme, what does the dependency list look like Michał ?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Michał Górny]

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:30:00 +0000
"M. J. Everitt" <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote:

> On 14/12/16 08:26, Christopher Head wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:59:50 +0100
> > Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >  
> >> Hello, everyone.
> >>
> >> The Ada project seriously needs help. For some time already, it has no
> >> active developers (George is retiring), and a lot of bugs needing
> >> attention.
> >>
> >> The packages maintained by aga@g.o are:
> >>
> >> app-eselect/eselect-gnat
> >> dev-ada/asis-gcc
> >> dev-ada/charles
> >> dev-lang/gnat-gcc
> >> virtual/ada
> >> virtual/gnat
> >>
> >> Since the Ada subsystem in Gentoo is practically unmaintained now
> >> and has only those two packages, the alternative is to lastrite it
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Is anyone interested in Ada? Any comments?
> >>  
> > I notice sci-electronics/ghdl is not in this list. Is it considered
> > part of this? It depends on gnat-gcc. I guess it would also be lost if
> > the above were given last rites?  
> Following this theme, what does the dependency list look like Michał ?

Well, to be honest I didn't really think it would come to that.

But if you insist, there are two dependencies:

  net-mail/topal
  sci-electronics/ghdl

The first one is dead and in process of being removed (waiting on
stablereq of newer alpine). With it gone, we'd also get rid of some
ugly hacks to net-libs/c-client (and with Alpine gone, we'd even get
rid of more hacks!)

So the only real consumer is GHDL -- yet another case when someone
thought it'd be fun to use a fringe language to implement something
useful... However, it seems to be undermaintained in Gentoo as well,
not bumped for a long time.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[M. J. Everitt]

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On 14/12/16 15:47, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:30:00 +0000
> "M. J. Everitt" <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote:
>
>> On 14/12/16 08:26, Christopher Head wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:59:50 +0100
>>> Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>  
>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>
>>>> The Ada project seriously needs help. For some time already, it has no
>>>> active developers (George is retiring), and a lot of bugs needing
>>>> attention.
>>>>
>>>> The packages maintained by aga@g.o are:
>>>>
>>>> app-eselect/eselect-gnat
>>>> dev-ada/asis-gcc
>>>> dev-ada/charles
>>>> dev-lang/gnat-gcc
>>>> virtual/ada
>>>> virtual/gnat
>>>>
>>>> Since the Ada subsystem in Gentoo is practically unmaintained now
>>>> and has only those two packages, the alternative is to lastrite it
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone interested in Ada? Any comments?
>>>>  
>>> I notice sci-electronics/ghdl is not in this list. Is it considered
>>> part of this? It depends on gnat-gcc. I guess it would also be lost if
>>> the above were given last rites?  
>> Following this theme, what does the dependency list look like Michał ?
> Well, to be honest I didn't really think it would come to that.
>
> But if you insist, there are two dependencies:
>
>   net-mail/topal
>   sci-electronics/ghdl
>
> The first one is dead and in process of being removed (waiting on
> stablereq of newer alpine). With it gone, we'd also get rid of some
> ugly hacks to net-libs/c-client (and with Alpine gone, we'd even get
> rid of more hacks!)
>
> So the only real consumer is GHDL -- yet another case when someone
> thought it'd be fun to use a fringe language to implement something
> useful... However, it seems to be undermaintained in Gentoo as well,
> not bumped for a long time.
>
Thanks for that, and I see you filed a PR on GH to get the CI tests done.

I guess we could bike-shed for a few weeks on here, and put to council
for a final vote in, say, February?!

Just my 3c ofc :]


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Christopher Head]

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:47:41 +0100
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

> So the only real consumer is GHDL -- yet another case when someone
> thought it'd be fun to use a fringe language to implement something
> useful... However, it seems to be undermaintained in Gentoo as well,
> not bumped for a long time.
> 

Undermaintained perhaps, but it works. Not a lot of bugs filed. Would a
pull request be sufficient to stop this package I use from being
steamrollered into oblivion? I honestly wasn’t hoping to spend my
holidays learning how the GCC build system works, but if I’m left with
no other choice, then I possibly might look into it. I won’t bother
though if there’s some reason why it wouldn’t be accepted anyway,
because people don’t want Gnat or GHDL in the tree.
-- 
Christopher Head

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Michał Górny]

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:11:33 -0800
Christopher Head <chead@chead.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:47:41 +0100
> Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > So the only real consumer is GHDL -- yet another case when someone
> > thought it'd be fun to use a fringe language to implement something
> > useful... However, it seems to be undermaintained in Gentoo as well,
> > not bumped for a long time.
> >   
> 
> Undermaintained perhaps, but it works. Not a lot of bugs filed. Would a
> pull request be sufficient to stop this package I use from being
> steamrollered into oblivion? I honestly wasn’t hoping to spend my
> holidays learning how the GCC build system works, but if I’m left with
> no other choice, then I possibly might look into it. I won’t bother
> though if there’s some reason why it wouldn’t be accepted anyway,
> because people don’t want Gnat or GHDL in the tree.

There's no hurry. I'm not really into one-time-fix-then-abandoned
business but there's no reason to lastrite it in a hurry. First I'm
trying to figure out:

a) if there are people interested in forming an Ada project, or if Ada
packages should be looking for dedicated maintainers,

b) which of the Ada packages are actually needed/used.

Would it be fine with you if we kept gnat-gcc and ghdl? (but lastrited
dev-ada/*)

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Christopher Head]

On December 15, 2016 12:19:05 AM PST, "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>Would it be fine with you if we kept gnat-gcc and ghdl? (but lastrited
>dev-ada/*)

I personally have no use for the others.

-- 
Christopher Head

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Matt Turner]

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> dev-lang/gnat-gcc

Something I've wondered about since I used gnat-gcc for assignments as
an undergrad -- why is gnat-gcc a separate package from gcc? Isn't the
Ada frontend just part of gcc? Why not just a gcc[ada] USE flag?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[andymenderunix]

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Yes, I see this as a more sensible solution also. We already have golang support in GCC as a USE flag. If ada support was dropped in upstream head and only legacy or lts versions of GCC have it, this can be done on a per-slot basis :).
~Andrew


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On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> dev-lang/gnat-gcc

Something I've wondered about since I used gnat-gcc for assignments as
an undergrad -- why is gnat-gcc a separate package from gcc? Isn't the
Ada frontend just part of gcc? Why not just a gcc[ada] USE flag?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Alfredo Tupone]

Il giorno Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:59:50 +0100
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> ha scritto:

> Hello, everyone.
> 
> The Ada project seriously needs help. For some time already, it has no
> active developers (George is retiring), and a lot of bugs needing
> attention.
> 
> The packages maintained by aga@g.o are:
> 
> app-eselect/eselect-gnat
> dev-ada/asis-gcc
> dev-ada/charles
> dev-lang/gnat-gcc
> virtual/ada
> virtual/gnat
> 
> Since the Ada subsystem in Gentoo is practically unmaintained now
> and has only those two packages, the alternative is to lastrite it
> all.
> 
> Is anyone interested in Ada? Any comments?
> 

If nobody is interested in ada as it is, I would like to bring back it
in a new way, more simple and more in line with gcc

An example is https://github.com/atupone/overlay. 

As it is using the same tools of sys-devel/gcc and provide another gcc.
It is going to conflict with gcc-same-version.

My github overlay is not yet gentoo-ready but I use it regularly

Alfredo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada project needs your help!

[Christopher Head]

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On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:55:43 -0800
Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> > dev-lang/gnat-gcc  
> 
> Something I've wondered about since I used gnat-gcc for assignments as
> an undergrad -- why is gnat-gcc a separate package from gcc? Isn't the
> Ada frontend just part of gcc? Why not just a gcc[ada] USE flag?
> 

I agree. Anyone from toolchain@, if someone (perhaps myself) were to
submit a pull request adding an ada useflag to sys-devel/gcc, would it
be accepted (assuming the patch were sensible and clean)?
-- 
Christopher Head

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