Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: /etc/hostname on gentoo

["Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org>]

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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:34:20 +0200
Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 08/28/2016 08:30 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> > On 08/24/2016 09:42 AM, Zac Medico wrote:  
> >> On 08/24/2016 09:33 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:  
> >>>   * no benefit put forth so far, other than that it's the same file that
> >>>     systemd uses, which is true but not beneficial as far as I can tell  
> >>
> >> It's a de facto standard. Being different for the sake of being
> >> different is not a virtue in cases like this.
> >>  
> > 
> > And doing things because "everyone else does it" is dumb, because it
> > precludes our ability to choose and makes us subject to the decisions
> > made outside of our distribution. Of course, as a distro we're subject
> > to outside decisions often, but what's the point of being a distro if
> > you're doing things the same way everyone else does?  
> 
> 
> At this point I feel the need to point at /etc/mtab and how it doesn't
> work anymore. Or rather:
> 
> In the old days it did *not* carry all mountpoints, so you could hide
> things like /dev and /run so that "umount -a" would not screw you sideways.
> 
> Then tools forgot to properly update mtab because hurr why u no symlink
> to /proc/mounts (oh wait, /proc/self/mounts )
> 
> So everyone migrated to /etc/mtab as a symlink (even OpenRC, because
> everyone does it)
> 
> ... and now if you still instincively use umount -a you unmount /run and
> other bits, breaking lots of stuff (can't shutdown if OpenRC strongly
> considers not having booted!)
> 
> 
> That's why some of us are very resistant to change.

Which could be pretty much summarized as 'I'm unhappy because I was
abusing the existing system to make "umount -a" not do what it was
supposed to do, and I'm unhappy because now it started to work
correctly'.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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