* [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE @ 2016-08-07 8:22 Pacho Ramos 2016-08-10 5:46 ` Raymond Jennings 2016-08-11 3:16 ` Hanno Böck 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Pacho Ramos @ 2016-08-07 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE is empty Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages would also be an option Thanks ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-07 8:22 [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE Pacho Ramos @ 2016-08-10 5:46 ` Raymond Jennings 2016-08-10 12:12 ` james 2016-08-11 3:16 ` Hanno Böck 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Raymond Jennings @ 2016-08-10 5:46 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 374 bytes --] Hey, just a heads up as a user. I'm currently using LXDE. On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote: > Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE is empty > > Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a > long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages > would also be an option > > Thanks > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 795 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-10 5:46 ` Raymond Jennings @ 2016-08-10 12:12 ` james 2016-08-10 14:44 ` Nathan Zachary 2016-08-10 18:46 ` Pacho Ramos 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: james @ 2016-08-10 12:12 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: > Hey, just a heads up as a user. I'm currently using LXDE. > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org > <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote: > > Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE > <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty > > Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a > long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages > would also be an option > > Thanks > > +1:: me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be a news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a wee bit of migration detail.... hth, James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-10 12:12 ` james @ 2016-08-10 14:44 ` Nathan Zachary 2016-08-10 16:18 ` james 2016-08-10 18:46 ` Pacho Ramos 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Nathan Zachary @ 2016-08-10 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1085 bytes --] On 10/08/16 07:12, james wrote: > On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: >> Hey, just a heads up as a user. I'm currently using LXDE. >> >> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org >> <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote: >> >> Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE >> <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty >> >> Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead >> for a >> long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages >> would also be an option >> >> Thanks >> >> > > +1:: > > me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be > a news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to > lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a > wee bit of migration detail.... > > > hth, > James > I was under the impression that both LXDE and LXQT would continue development, but that LXQT would be favoured. Is there an official statement that LXDE is dead? Cheers, Nathan Zachary [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 855 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-10 14:44 ` Nathan Zachary @ 2016-08-10 16:18 ` james 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: james @ 2016-08-10 16:18 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 08/10/2016 09:44 AM, Nathan Zachary wrote: > On 10/08/16 07:12, james wrote: >> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: >>> Hey, just a heads up as a user. I'm currently using LXDE. >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org >>> <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE >>> <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty >>> >>> Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead >>> for a >>> long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages >>> would also be an option >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >> >> +1:: >> >> me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be >> a news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to >> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a >> wee bit of migration detail.... >> >> >> hth, >> James >> > I was under the impression that both LXDE and LXQT would continue > development, but that LXQT would be favoured. Is there an official > statement that LXDE is dead? > > Cheers, > Nathan Zachary Upstream:: NO :: Release date and age February 21, 2016 But upstream is dev light, to say the least. Here at gentoo, the dev maint situation for lxde is:: skinny, at best [1]. So I guess dev are reading the tea leaves. I'm sure a proxy-maintainer stepping forward for either, would be keenly appreciated, but lxqt has always been on my scope.... ymmv. If you believe upstream, then lxqt is the future. [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE hth, James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-10 12:12 ` james 2016-08-10 14:44 ` Nathan Zachary @ 2016-08-10 18:46 ` Pacho Ramos 2016-08-10 21:06 ` james 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Pacho Ramos @ 2016-08-10 18:46 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev El mié, 10-08-2016 a las 07:12 -0500, james escribió: > On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: > > > > Hey, just a heads up as a user. I'm currently using LXDE. > > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org > > <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote: > > > > Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE > > <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty > > > > Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead > > for a > > long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the > > packages > > would also be an option > > > > Thanks > > > > > > +1:: > > me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be > a > news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to > lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a > wee > bit of migration detail.... > > > hth, > James > What is needed apart of emerging the new desktop and starting to use it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-10 18:46 ` Pacho Ramos @ 2016-08-10 21:06 ` james 2016-08-10 21:07 ` Tom H 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: james @ 2016-08-10 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 08/10/2016 01:46 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El mié, 10-08-2016 a las 07:12 -0500, james escribió: >> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: >>> >>> Hey, just a heads up as a user. I'm currently using LXDE. +_1 (correctly located). >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org >>> <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE >>> <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty >>> >>> Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead >>> for a >>> long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the >>> packages >>> would also be an option >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >> >> me too. I have it LXDE, that is, and I like it very much. >> on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be a >> news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to >> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a >> wee bit of migration detail.... >> >> >> hth, >> James >> > > What is needed apart of emerging the new desktop and starting to use > it? Changes in config files? Has this been tested? Surely folks have a myriad of setups with lxde and those do not automagically migrate to lxqt, or do they? If/when lxde goes away are there other similar choices in lieu of lxqt ? The reason I say this, is the lxde installs I have done (all 3) have had extensive hacking to get things to work. But once that was done, they (lxde setups) require little to nothing, which strongly appeals to me. Hack it once and done. For example on usb, I gave up and just installed udevil. Most DE users expect usb usage to be ubiquitous. I know I did before I ever installed lxde. likewise dvd burning, particularly double sided medias. Others have different solutions. Terminal windows. I spent days reading and hacking to get a Kludge I like. I have not had the time to migrate things to lxqt, despite tinkering around with it. The next system I install, will go direct to lxqt. I left KDE for many bloated reasons. I sure hope lxqt is light weight, easy to setup and config and stable. I have a deep disdain for DEs that require adming work. I want to do my admin and dev work on clusters, not the rendering/command/control system know as a workstation. To me, the entirety of KDE should be replaced with aggressive and ubiquitious clusters, where any mixture of codes, kde included can be run. KDE is an OS, and a bloated one at that, that imposes itself on my DE. I want no part of the KDE vision, nor any other DE that does more than provide a fast environment to display apps. There is a growing crowd of folks that like minimal DE environments, imho. Advances should be in the cluster or a single local server, imho. So, actually, I'd like to keep lxde into perpetuity and it'd be perfect to train folks for proxy-maint, imho. Safe, stable, extraordinarily useful and not critical to anything in the core system. Folks do not have use it. Old, stable codes are worth their weight in gold, but we must be trendy, right? So we need to removed lxde, right? I mean thing about it from a different prospective. I have a vintage car, not being maintained any more by the manufacturer. It's worthless now, right? Let's just toss it away so nobody can use it or maintain it right. Turns out old vintige cars are worth a bloody fortune now days. Who is to say in 20 or 30 years, these old code will not be worth extreme value to folks? It costs nothing to just park the codes and ignore them. Mark lxde as you like and move it to an overlay and let it sit idle, if you have to clean the tree, that's my wisdom on the matter. My (college aged kids) get down boxes of old electronic toys to play with every christmas. It's a blast and friend of all ages enjoy this one a year treat too. Whos to say and old DE might not be the same experience one day? But, I suspect you are implying the correct answer is "Nothing". I'm just saying if/when lxde goes away or a news item first comes out and encourages lxde folks to migrate to lxqt, then some detail as to the situation and easy migration steps, shows a kinder and gentler Gentoo. I think that's this is one of the proxy-maint exit test questions; when is a News item is warranted. So this is my opinion, particular if an update removes lxde and installs lxqt; a news item is then definitely warranted. I'm not against keeping lxde around, at all. But from the last year of experiences with tree cleaning it is more of a religious agenda than removing what has to be removed. I know, I have dozens of old codes sitting quite peacefully in /usr/local.... and working just fine. But I do not enjoy the pressures of being a gentoo dev, so do what you have to do; news items are great. ymmv. I recommend that you convert your (gentoo dev) burdens into a peaceful pleasure as you see fit. Now if you are asking what's broken with news items, then I have an idea, so they do not have to be avoided. Require all news items to be very short. A sentence or 2 and more than 50 words. Also they should have a link to the longer answers and details. That would make 2/3 news items per day, pretty cool, ymmv. An additional benefit, is that those linked documents can be annotated more than once and edited until near perfection (think back to the ncurses debacle.... thank goodness for vapier. I spent a week stabalizing almost a dozen (gentoo) systems on that ncurses nightmare and there should have been one place to read (concurrently) what went wrong and what to do. On gentoo-user, there was much more zagging than zigging...... (granted to others it was no big deal). OK? I'm happy with whatever you decide to do. TIA, James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-10 21:06 ` james @ 2016-08-10 21:07 ` Tom H 2016-08-11 2:16 ` james 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Tom H @ 2016-08-10 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:06 PM, james <garftd@verizon.net> wrote: > > I have not had the time to migrate things to lxqt, despite tinkering > around with it. The next system I install, will go direct to lxqt. I > left KDE for many bloated reasons. I sure hope lxqt is light weight, > easy to setup and config and stable. If LXQT's too bloated for you, try Lumina: https://lumina-desktop.org/ There's an ebuild. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-10 21:07 ` Tom H @ 2016-08-11 2:16 ` james 2016-08-12 12:30 ` Tom H 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: james @ 2016-08-11 2:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 08/10/2016 04:07 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:06 PM, james <garftd@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> I have not had the time to migrate things to lxqt, despite tinkering >> around with it. The next system I install, will go direct to lxqt. I >> left KDE for many bloated reasons. I sure hope lxqt is light weight, >> easy to setup and config and stable. > > If LXQT's too bloated for you, try Lumina: > > https://lumina-desktop.org/ > > There's an ebuild. > > Yep the ebuild is clean and well written; I shall put that one in my EAPI-6 reference folder.... I looked at some of the code (https://github.com/trueos/lumina), impressive, clean and well organized. I do like what I've seen on quick, first glance. I did a quick search and did not find a comparison of lumina to lxqt. I'd like to see a feature comparison to lxqt; gotta ref on the comparison? I'm interested but cannot commit to a timeline for some test deployments. For sure this DE is aimed at security and flexibility and I do like that. thx Tom, James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-11 2:16 ` james @ 2016-08-12 12:30 ` Tom H 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Tom H @ 2016-08-12 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: Gentoo Devel On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:16 PM, james <garftd@verizon.net> wrote: > On 08/10/2016 04:07 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >> If LXQT's too bloated for you, try Lumina: >> >> https://lumina-desktop.org/ >> >> There's an ebuild. > > I did a quick search and did not find a comparison of lumina to lxqt. > I'd like to see a feature comparison to lxqt; gotta ref on the > comparison? > > thx Tom, You're welcome. Sorry, I have no refs. There may not be a head-to-head comparison and it might make sense because Lumina's more of a WM+ than a DE. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-07 8:22 [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE Pacho Ramos 2016-08-10 5:46 ` Raymond Jennings @ 2016-08-11 3:16 ` Hanno Böck 2016-08-14 5:39 ` Hanno Böck 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Hanno Böck @ 2016-08-11 3:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: Pacho Ramos; +Cc: gentoo-dev On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 10:22:28 +0200 Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote: > Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE is empty > > Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a > long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages > would also be an option Oh... I'm actually using lxde and I have recently pushed a bunch of memory safety fixes to upstream that were a result of my address sanitizer testing. LXDE upstream isn't totally dead, occasionally releases with fixes happen, yet they're slow. I'll look that I maintain some of the stuff, yet I'd prefer if I'd be not the only one. -- Hanno Böck https://hboeck.de/ mail/jabber: hanno@hboeck.de GPG: BBB51E42 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-11 3:16 ` Hanno Böck @ 2016-08-14 5:39 ` Hanno Böck 2016-08-14 8:38 ` Pacho Ramos 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Hanno Böck @ 2016-08-14 5:39 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Ok, so it seems I'm currently the only one interested. While the wiki page lists no other devs, there are two more devs listed in the email alias, yet they haven't replied to my questions whether they consider themselve still part of the project. I'll take over the project now and will start committing latest upstream updates piece by piece. Not sure if there's any long term future for LXDE, but for the time being I'll take care of it. -- Hanno Böck https://hboeck.de/ mail/jabber: hanno@hboeck.de GPG: BBB51E42 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-14 5:39 ` Hanno Böck @ 2016-08-14 8:38 ` Pacho Ramos 2016-08-17 8:51 ` Raymond Jennings 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Pacho Ramos @ 2016-08-14 8:38 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev El sáb, 13-08-2016 a las 22:39 -0700, Hanno Böck escribió: > Ok, so it seems I'm currently the only one interested. > > While the wiki page lists no other devs, there are two more devs > listed > in the email alias, yet they haven't replied to my questions whether > they consider themselve still part of the project. > > I'll take over the project now and will start committing latest > upstream > updates piece by piece. > > Not sure if there's any long term future for LXDE, but for the time > being I'll take care of it. > When looking to bugs assigned to the team I found some people willing to help via proxy-maint too... you should be CCed by me in that bug report for being aware :) Thanks for joining the team! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE 2016-08-14 8:38 ` Pacho Ramos @ 2016-08-17 8:51 ` Raymond Jennings 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Raymond Jennings @ 2016-08-17 8:51 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 914 bytes --] From an interested user, you have my thanks. On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:38 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote: > El sáb, 13-08-2016 a las 22:39 -0700, Hanno Böck escribió: > > Ok, so it seems I'm currently the only one interested. > > > > While the wiki page lists no other devs, there are two more devs > > listed > > in the email alias, yet they haven't replied to my questions whether > > they consider themselve still part of the project. > > > > I'll take over the project now and will start committing latest > > upstream > > updates piece by piece. > > > > Not sure if there's any long term future for LXDE, but for the time > > being I'll take care of it. > > > > When looking to bugs assigned to the team I found some people willing > to help via proxy-maint too... you should be CCed by me in that bug > report for being aware :) > > Thanks for joining the team! > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1329 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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