From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 880BD13832E for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C93821C102; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f65.google.com (mail-wm0-f65.google.com [74.125.82.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47A62E0B86 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f65.google.com with SMTP id o80so11366092wme.0 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u6xRuTbF/0YKKpqIfcu1FDX6+vr3z66OLhD6iPSFwyc=; b=vkKSlIOqmW4mdCWbJ1R8iuyNqRPZzbXTteVm3bClT+GIz8vKDcjfZBFqe67OYzmpEN bvdqBUEh7eFHPvcHZwnn1It4D2iZKZ01ycYVG/v/DHQSatAy1hagvQlhcn5a0v5XVIp9 /03fE1ECBhoeS+gz0tAWNyZqeoazblPY8X5VJXGq/QRyduB/cu+6OxaRNR9bP+26n810 8wmI878cl/Ds1XQwN9RcQE4K/IBYXsLB4Jj0Qv17mBM2iSPI3QnBcyPBtU/Bg0pZa+hd uDeFx6j93o6cGLAuJtWBez7CP2hG/DaocsUzbjS719gdLvQf+M9ZXEvuHMbQU6vS9lR6 OZHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u6xRuTbF/0YKKpqIfcu1FDX6+vr3z66OLhD6iPSFwyc=; b=KTbOqq2u2f7cWYRXxYbMUVWEtgKqKf5cYW8IqH4pcKx9PyolV/rl5dW0SJnrWji4Gd vv4RdhZlhaZAznKr+AGxuW3mlr12ppLuq2xA0v6LhrNnk2HAe+FWkACm/jeLzrM95pK3 pOX3FvTbOC5WvmBvyjwnPLq/+BC5Wpvau4Fbkn4JZeK9EjYUrtLryuAThV3HrodyFOel UoVlsGcz1UmB4a4rOtAvq0GhB5So8tfsAHSBKOJcihXGBd775kb1zY4S00ZaTMbTsUHv zwdo+8uZf+rxtucA7jdqac+BaAy8oQtAQC5BY+wJkVGrQAb3UgO/e7rJIhrqtgVK16tc Gtvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvcrO2CLInCHO1VLvRnVkDQHIGr9qO3C85ndMeIzrn9zK3PNFl9wMMt9WBaH7qYqg== X-Received: by 10.28.98.197 with SMTP id w188mr11373943wmb.45.1470586896434; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowblower (cpc8-broo7-2-0-cust7.14-2.cable.virginm.net. [82.0.28.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm28363138wjd.31.2016.08.07.09.21.35 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:21:30 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs Message-ID: <20160807172130.6551e941@snowblower> In-Reply-To: <6494e3db-fb71-9896-2370-4885410a5f35@verizon.net> References: <20160806211255.GI12988@foo.stuge.se> <49994385-FEB7-4951-B324-ED1BC66899D4@gentoo.org> <20160807073824.GA1030@daphne> <20160808013213.15ca7982@katipo2.lan> <6494e3db-fb71-9896-2370-4885410a5f35@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 68f7de5b-bef2-4746-b00e-3a95b9ee4c6d X-Archives-Hash: cd573e60230e600f6570ac4157ec0545 On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:24:37 -0500 james wrote: > >> Let them use java* codes, as that is what all the universities are > >> teaching and promoting. I agree > >> with gentoo proper on severely restricting java*, on > >> gentoo-proper, but that sort of thing is killing gentoo and just > >> appears to the open world as a filter mechanism to keep out and go > >> elsewhere, snoot. There are just too many exciting and useful > >> codes out there running java. > > > > "All" ? Some. And the dominance and focus on Java is itself telling > > of the quality and type of the education provider. > > > > Some education providers may not touch Java at all, and focus > > predominantly on C. > > Sure, I agree here, but, statistically these "hi level" languages are > being taught, in lieu of C; and that is really sad. I'm sure there > are exceptions, would you have a few CS departments that push C over > java and the other, newer languages? (I'm curios). You all appear to be missing the point of education. If you are learning technologies, your skills will be obsolete in five years. If you are learning general principles and problem solving, the particular language being used is much less important. -- Ciaran McCreesh