[gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Anthony G. Basile]

Hi everyone,

I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
30 days.

net-dns/namecoind
net-dns/namecoin-qt

net-p2p/bitcoinxtd
net-p2p/bitcoinxt-qt

net-p2p/litecoind
net-p2p/litecoin-qt

net-p2p/ppcoind
net-p2p/ppcoin-qt

net-p2p/primecoind
net-p2p/primecoin-qt

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Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D.
Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Andrew Savchenko]

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On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
> 30 days.

Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
Just drop them to maintainer-needed.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[james]

On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
>> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
>> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
>> 30 days.
>
> Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
> Just drop them to maintainer-needed.
>
> Best regards,
> Andrew Savchenko
>

Perhaps we should start posting these  orphaned-package announcements to 
gentoo-user, so folks interested in learning about ebuilds can ponder 
proxy-maintenance of a few packages as an opportunity?


Surely there is a wider audience that will see some packages they like
are going away because there are not enough maintainers, and thus 
respond by 'stepping up' to maintain a few packages?

hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Andrew Savchenko]

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 08:10:07 -0500 james wrote:
> On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
> >> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
> >> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
> >> 30 days.
> >
> > Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
> > Just drop them to maintainer-needed.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Andrew Savchenko
> >
> 
> Perhaps we should start posting these  orphaned-package announcements to 
> gentoo-user, so folks interested in learning about ebuilds can ponder 
> proxy-maintenance of a few packages as an opportunity?
> 
> 
> Surely there is a wider audience that will see some packages they like
> are going away because there are not enough maintainers, and thus 
> respond by 'stepping up' to maintain a few packages?

The idea sounds reasonable, but it doesn't answer why we have a
highly alarming tendency of purging working packages from the tree
just because they have no maintainer.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Andrew Savchenko]

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:42:14 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Anthony G. Basile <blueness@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > Also there's some debate in IRC about whether or not these packages
> > should be lastrited or dropped to maintainer-needed.  These forks are
> > not in good shape upstream, so I think it makes better sense to
> > p.mask/lastrite and then move them to the graveyard overlay when I
> > remove them from the tree in 30 days.
> >
> 
> IMO the criteria should be whether they work or not.  Not whether
> upstream is more or less active.
> 
> If they're blockers on other work, by all means cull them.  However,
> if the biggest problem with them is that they're using a few inodes in
> the repo, then they should probably stay.
 
+1

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[William Hubbs]

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On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 08:10:07AM -0500, james wrote:
> On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
> >> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
> >> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
> >> 30 days.
> >
> > Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
> > Just drop them to maintainer-needed.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Andrew Savchenko
> >
> 
> Perhaps we should start posting these  orphaned-package announcements to 
> gentoo-user, so folks interested in learning about ebuilds can ponder 
> proxy-maintenance of a few packages as an opportunity?

I'm not sure that's necessary, that's what g-d-a is for.

William


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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Anthony G. Basile]

On 7/8/16 10:42 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Anthony G. Basile <blueness@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> Also there's some debate in IRC about whether or not these packages
>> should be lastrited or dropped to maintainer-needed.  These forks are
>> not in good shape upstream, so I think it makes better sense to
>> p.mask/lastrite and then move them to the graveyard overlay when I
>> remove them from the tree in 30 days.
>>
> 
> IMO the criteria should be whether they work or not.  Not whether
> upstream is more or less active.

There is a QA against the current version of namecoin* and upstreams
newest packages are no good.

> 
> If they're blockers on other work, by all means cull them.  However,
> if the biggest problem with them is that they're using a few inodes in
> the repo, then they should probably stay.
> 

I have no strong feeling here, but I do want to get rid of them.  So I'm
okay with maintainer-needed@  I'll let the discussion continue for a bit
and then do whatever the consensus is.

-- 
Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D.
Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
E-Mail    : blueness@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Andrew Savchenko]

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:01:58 -0500 William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 08:10:07AM -0500, james wrote:
> > On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> > >> Hi everyone,
> > >>
> > >> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
> > >> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
> > >> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
> > >> 30 days.
> > >
> > > Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
> > > Just drop them to maintainer-needed.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Andrew Savchenko
> > >
> > 
> > Perhaps we should start posting these  orphaned-package announcements to 
> > gentoo-user, so folks interested in learning about ebuilds can ponder 
> > proxy-maintenance of a few packages as an opportunity?
> 
> I'm not sure that's necessary, that's what g-d-a is for.

How many users are subscribed to the gentoo-dev-announce ML? The
very name suggests that this is development announce, not something
related to our users.

We already duplicate Last-rites messages to gentoo-dev ML, why not
add gentoo-user here too? Why do we need to duplicate Last-rites on
gentoo-dev in the first place? I suppose there are two reasons:

1) even not all devs are subscribed to gentoo-dev-announce;
2) this is a moderated list, which creates some delays.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Michał Górny]

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 19:09:04 +0300
Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:01:58 -0500 William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 08:10:07AM -0500, james wrote:  
> > > On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:  
> > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:  
> > > >> Hi everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
> > > >> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
> > > >> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
> > > >> 30 days.  
> > > >
> > > > Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
> > > > Just drop them to maintainer-needed.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Andrew Savchenko
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we should start posting these  orphaned-package announcements to 
> > > gentoo-user, so folks interested in learning about ebuilds can ponder 
> > > proxy-maintenance of a few packages as an opportunity?  
> > 
> > I'm not sure that's necessary, that's what g-d-a is for.  
> 
> How many users are subscribed to the gentoo-dev-announce ML? The
> very name suggests that this is development announce, not something
> related to our users.
> 
> We already duplicate Last-rites messages to gentoo-dev ML, why not
> add gentoo-user here too? Why do we need to duplicate Last-rites on
> gentoo-dev in the first place? I suppose there are two reasons:
> 
> 1) even not all devs are subscribed to gentoo-dev-announce;
> 2) this is a moderated list, which creates some delays.

There is a significant difference between duplicating message 
to a post-only announcement list, and having it on two regular traffic
lists.


-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[William Hubbs]

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On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 07:09:04PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:01:58 -0500 William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 08:10:07AM -0500, james wrote:
> > > On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> > > >> Hi everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
> > > >> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
> > > >> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
> > > >> 30 days.
> > > >
> > > > Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
> > > > Just drop them to maintainer-needed.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Andrew Savchenko
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we should start posting these  orphaned-package announcements to 
> > > gentoo-user, so folks interested in learning about ebuilds can ponder 
> > > proxy-maintenance of a few packages as an opportunity?
> > 
> > I'm not sure that's necessary, that's what g-d-a is for.
> 
> How many users are subscribed to the gentoo-dev-announce ML? The
> very name suggests that this is development announce, not something
> related to our users.
> 
> We already duplicate Last-rites messages to gentoo-dev ML, why not
> add gentoo-user here too? Why do we need to duplicate Last-rites on
> gentoo-dev in the first place? I suppose there are two reasons:
> 
> 1) even not all devs are subscribed to gentoo-dev-announce;

They should be, the last I heard this list is mandatory for all devs.

> 2) this is a moderated list, which creates some delays.
 
 This might be a consideration, but I'm not sure.

I'm not really for adding another list we cross-post last rites
announcements to, I would rather encourage folks who want to keep track
of that to subscribe to g-d-a. That's also where the announcements for
council meetings go, etc.

William


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Re: [gentoo-dev] masking and removing *coin packages

[Tuomo Hartikainen]

On 2016-07-08 08:10, james wrote:
> On 07/08/2016 05:17 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:30:36 -0400 Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I emailed the list some time ago about giving away a bunch of bitcoin
> >> forks to see if anyone was interested in taking them.  I didn't get any
> >> feedback so as of tomorrow I'll be masking the following for removal in
> >> 30 days.
> >
> > Any reason for mask and removal? Are these packages broken?
> > Just drop them to maintainer-needed.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Andrew Savchenko
> >
> 
> Perhaps we should start posting these  orphaned-package announcements to 
> gentoo-user, so folks interested in learning about ebuilds can ponder 
> proxy-maintenance of a few packages as an opportunity?
> 
> 
> Surely there is a wider audience that will see some packages they like
> are going away because there are not enough maintainers, and thus 
> respond by 'stepping up' to maintain a few packages?

I would think those who are interested in (and capable of) maintaining
packages would already be subscribed to gentoo-dev.

-- 
Tuomo Hartikainen