From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D468D13829C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F9F9141F9; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f65.google.com (mail-wm0-f65.google.com [74.125.82.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22CB221C012 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f65.google.com with SMTP id n184so17598909wmn.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:29:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OvvAmzFKw+ZpcnQiZT60utZ74xZgQimwPUOV6cHPhdY=; b=Y432j4spcax01IGL7gjFgu+5oA/O95LfLxNQU5VbqOXIZuoPaxMJA/N4QNp1Wtkf0b JVcz7nOITRUQXdc7jQkJjO5wibDDQ+EOfoE8ZeuHFBJ7vAiClcMG9XTPD+X2v4W8ITaf tu6Y7JaM/TZxv/pE3/zuwrl5Mktq4OFpSv5fksVYBSbwIlN0uXm2Wq24YUYrJapGMWbt CN+fzmOzAfIQmwSnPaoAW6bVnmL7H2OP67s2alRRyCQQBaMoN9z3mypvQjB0hL507IzO WgZ5konzvkV2LK3OXMtiDY/5mfwlO7nu5oAwZ7h6nRfO7O59ptJUAz6x3OxR55Ubr/tH VUfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OvvAmzFKw+ZpcnQiZT60utZ74xZgQimwPUOV6cHPhdY=; b=KVSS8v/lnXVhnxYG+3gxC7wVtDcjpuVMos11mt/1EZUqkJHTpQs9yj+aA5B6heEH7V 6gjoAMjIeFjT5ZwRBtPCPY5vRCa+ZjhpPWPL7UlrmLq+HoWzcicupMZZkSO1bytoWN81 4+eKzofcHJn/RDf2ot1rWvCTtlvtt19UUI6i4ofwAA3sr4OFqrrEZ4Zq1whRKigxw7Zm Y2GQUCjCko1J1RasQ2oMIVkeni5yneiAEfrVGbw9Dyg7uAKqiQgu8WSX7novR9eFI60T +bN2Vke1oLSfL43zBy4znWQu11yo9w32jUt/s7REx1knHZogFZfrRnLxwxqsokr5Eupz EkgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIFLo7fprPo0KvBEPdCp2QiP3GLp9H26ua59O5vnFC2QNvANegUu9MUoBMKBHA8Bw== X-Received: by 10.28.163.69 with SMTP id m66mr19067813wme.101.1465561746434; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowflex (cpc12-broo7-2-0-cust220.14-2.cable.virginm.net. [80.7.156.221]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f1sm12780224wmf.22.2016.06.10.05.29.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:29:00 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui Message-ID: <20160610132900.766885b1@snowflex> In-Reply-To: <22361.60228.455098.152246@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <1464791395.11446.42.camel@gentoo.org> <20160601175331.GA29301@waltdnes.org> <20160601195641.448939ad.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20160602021324.GA32486@waltdnes.org> <5932234a-fbdf-adb2-34d3-eedd49c18e36@gmail.com> <53e77d53-0401-f0e7-7131-62a8bc0ee606@gentoo.org> <030f4580-5b12-7186-cfd5-982d5547d6c8@gentoo.org> <20160607182053.68fe547e.mgorny@gentoo.org> <575712A6.3030602@gentoo.org> <20160607120316.479ba879.dolsen@gentoo.org> <20160609183224.55697534.mgorny@gentoo.org> <22361.53364.605577.386649@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20160609224206.4de50951.mgorny@gentoo.org> <22361.60228.455098.152246@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 4a646764-ff6a-4dfa-a4ba-985e6af0d95a X-Archives-Hash: 640bc54c9cbea26d922314bfdc7f92bd On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 00:18:44 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2016, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: =20 > >> That would be a policy violation. Packages should pick a reasonable > >> default if flags are conflicting, but not force users to > >> micro-manage their flags. =20 >=20 > > Who did establish that *idiotic* policy and why is he still a > > developer? =20 >=20 > Micha=C5=82, > You may want to reconsider your tone. >=20 > The policy was established when documenting REQUIRED_USE for EAPI 4, > and it is based on consensus in bug 353624 [1] and in the gentoo-dev > mailing list [2,3]. Really, that policy predates REQUIRED_USE, and even EAPIs... In the olden days, the rule was that USE flags were for things that were optional, and that if something wasn't optional, then it shouldn't be controlled by USE flags. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh