From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E689138262 for ; Sat, 21 May 2016 02:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AB01141E3; Sat, 21 May 2016 02:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out4.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out4.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.220]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB51A21C046 for ; Sat, 21 May 2016 02:09:06 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2ASAgDQwj9X/3P8RWpdHAGDGoFTuXsBDYF1hhECgTY4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RCAQEBAQIBOkQLCw0FBgklDzoOGYgnB7kai0CKcoULhQ4FjliJXQKOFolihUSPTB4BAUKCBhyBWC8yiAMBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A2ASAgDQwj9X/3P8RWpdHAGDGoFTuXsBDYF1hhECgTY4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RCAQEBAQIBOkQLCw0FBgklDzoOGYgnB7kai0CKcoULhQ4FjliJXQKOFolihUSPTB4BAUKCBhyBWC8yiAMBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,342,1459785600"; d="scan'208";a="89325843" Received: from unknown (HELO archtester.homenetwork) ([106.69.252.115]) by icp-osb-irony-out4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 21 May 2016 10:09:04 +0800 Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 10:09:04 +0800 From: Ian Delaney To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] new developers' keyword requests Message-ID: <20160521100904.736a044a@archtester.homenetwork> In-Reply-To: <20160520160002.2aace085@wim.fritz.box> References: <20160519165130.7e9bc385@wim.fritz.box> <20160520160002.2aace085@wim.fritz.box> Organization: homenetwork X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ec54f713-c53f-4e19-b566-df2a77ba7784 X-Archives-Hash: aaaf17655e8c4939189fc23d7c3f1b65 On Fri, 20 May 2016 16:00:02 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2016 18:36:22 -0700 > Daniel Campbell wrote: > > > To make sure I understand what you're getting at, are you saying > > some devs get on board and then request to add keywords to packages > > that they already maintain? If said arches are already supported in > > Gentoo I see little problem with that, especially if they intend on > > being part of the arch testing team for that arch or have access to > > the hardware. > > I am not talking about adding architecture keywords to profiles/. > I am talking about adding architecture keywords to ebuilds. > > > Regards, > jer > Firstly I think previous replies have been de-railed on talking about new alternate arches, which personally I think is the last thing we need. If there is any confusion it is because the term keyword, like most terms in I.T. gets pushed and pulled and stretched until it breaks. To my understanding, KEYWORDS are arches. But being told to 'keyword' a package could mean perhaps, well, Hu knows. Supporting users doing just this lately, I have come across this a few times. Users and new devs are expected to be very ignorant of minor arches, and despite having docs already informing them that they are short staffed and have enough to do, the practicalities of how and why to keyword request or not are still veiled in mystery. Users want to keyword according to what they see supported upstream just because they can. They appear to need it made manually clear to them that there are qualifiers and conditions for putting something up for keywording. These also I believe are as much as mystery to users as they are to devs. How to establish a level of desire form userland to have gentoo support the arch in the package?? How to establish sane rationale for it being put up for stable?? The last I heard was along the lines of, well, only put it up if it has already been put up in the past.(someone in the past had a check list?) If anyone, the members of the arch teams might have some insights based upon first hand dealing with packages and their categories. Frankly, how you can expect or achieve users and new devs to assess these is more the issue, and I do not see there is any obvious path of becoming informed of the interest of an invisible audience; userland Hu knows -- kind regards Ian Delaney