From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B49459CAF for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 01:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89AA221C0DB; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 01:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D2D21C0D5 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 01:16:41 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BECQA731xV/zOBWxdcgxCBMoJQwQwJh1ECgT04FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQQ6TwsNFBMSDwVciCzPIwEBCAIgizqFDBaDAYEWAQSdb4d4Do8PI4QUIjGCRwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A0BECQA731xV/zOBWxdcgxCBMoJQwQwJh1ECgT04FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQQ6TwsNFBMSDwVciCzPIwEBCAIgizqFDBaDAYEWAQSdb4d4Do8PI4QUIjGCRwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="205606488" Received: from unknown (HELO waltdnes.org) ([23.91.129.51]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 08 Apr 2016 21:16:39 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 08 Apr 2016 21:16:44 -0400 From: waltdnes@waltdnes.org Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 21:16:44 -0400 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge Message-ID: <20160409011643.GA15647@waltdnes.org> References: <5707191B.7060909@gmail.com> <57071AF6.7060206@iee.org> <5707be2c.0af3ca0a.86e6c.ffffef69@mx.google.com> <20160408200721.GA28274@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Archives-Salt: e0b1df2d-304e-4121-82ea-27e1775de724 X-Archives-Hash: 314a4e3c9b45acf72c07064c2f7d2cba On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 04:18:58PM -0400, Joseph Booker wrote > > From my own experience, it is useful to run "ifconfig" or "mount" > as a regular user, same as the gimp or firefox commands. Given that > all the commands you listed are in /usr/bin or /bin, I think I'm > not the only one. The difference between "system software" and > "regular applications" isn't clear-cut. Let me rephrase that... instead of calling it "system software", let's call it "software that the system needs for its own purposes". Whether end users run them later is beside the point. Systems will boot, mount disks, and set TCP/IP connections fine without GIMP or Firefox. Not so much without mount and ifconfig/ifcfg. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications