From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCE559CAF for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2578921C038; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3B621C024 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:07:19 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AvBQA731xV/zOBWxdcgxBUXoJQwRWBLiIMhXUCgT05EwEBAQEBAQGBCoQjAQEBAwECN08LDRQNAQUSDwUUSBqIEg3PFgEBAQcCAR+LOoUMEgEDgwGBFgWXIYQaHYIXgWaGEg6PDyOEFCIxAYEEBxeBJAEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A0AvBQA731xV/zOBWxdcgxBUXoJQwRWBLiIMhXUCgT05EwEBAQEBAQGBCoQjAQEBAwECN08LDRQNAQUSDwUUSBqIEg3PFgEBAQcCAR+LOoUMEgEDgwGBFgWXIYQaHYIXgWaGEg6PDyOEFCIxAYEEBxeBJAEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="205572781" Received: from unknown (HELO waltdnes.org) ([23.91.129.51]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 08 Apr 2016 16:07:17 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:07:21 -0400 From: waltdnes@waltdnes.org Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:07:21 -0400 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge Message-ID: <20160408200721.GA28274@waltdnes.org> References: <5707191B.7060909@gmail.com> <57071AF6.7060206@iee.org> <5707be2c.0af3ca0a.86e6c.ffffef69@mx.google.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5707be2c.0af3ca0a.86e6c.ffffef69@mx.google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Archives-Salt: d0f6561b-cf6f-4eaf-9704-7fd23de25e15 X-Archives-Hash: 1b305b2e5090453cc915ae3b2ecfd997 On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:20:19AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote > > Here is more info about the split and why it exists. It turns out it hs > nothing to do with system admininistration or permissions. > > http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html > http://www.osnews.com/story/25556/Understanding_the_bin_sbin_usr_bin_usr_sbin_Split/ > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3519952 > > In short, this is all a historical artifact with justifications thought > up after the fact. The historical reasons may or may not exist any longer. The question is "what is the current situation?". The current situation is that there are 3 classes of software... 1) system software that is required for bootup (mount, init, etcetera) 2) system software that is usually used by root for admin purposes 3) regular applications that users use Question... do we really want "GIMP", "Firefox", etcetera, in the same directory as "mount", "chroot", "login", "passwd", "ifconfig", etcetera? I don't think so. I want separate "system progs" versus "user progs" directories. There may be an argument for merging /bin and /sbin directories (items 1 and 2 above), but user applications should be separate. If we move /bin and /sbin into /usr/bin, I suggest moving all user programs to /usr/local/binuser applications should be separate. If we move /bin and /sbin into /usr/bin, I suggest moving all user programs to /usr/local/bin. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications