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[66.68.34.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xy9sm5923367obc.10.2016.04.02.11.01.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Apr 2016 11:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: (nullmailer pid 920 invoked by uid 1000); Sat, 02 Apr 2016 18:01:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 13:01:39 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: vapier@gentoo.org, aballier@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a sep-/usr by default Message-ID: <20160402180139.GA867@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, vapier@gentoo.org, aballier@gentoo.org References: <95d3d986-aecd-47f1-85c7-fd47be8ffd39@gentoo.org> <20160331160728.GH6588@vapier.lan> <1ca1fc7d-c610-4221-9a5d-91c829b2f635@gentoo.org> <20160331181952.GJ6588@vapier.lan> <28ef45dc-2141-4847-ab0c-26b1a5566063@gentoo.org> <20160401015818.GM6588@vapier.lan> <20160401183302.GO6588@vapier.lan> <31b4e590-44b6-44e4-b3ab-32b3f891f3dc@gentoo.org> <20160402173558.GA620@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160402173558.GA620@linux1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Archives-Salt: e249761b-9716-4e88-aa9c-65732e95e988 X-Archives-Hash: ea7876bc24e48c6eed36d4fa2bcc4243 --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 12:35:58PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Alexis Ballier wrote: > > On Friday, April 1, 2016 8:33:02 PM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On 01 Apr 2016 20:00, Alexis Ballier wrote: > > >> On Friday, April 1, 2016 3:58:18 AM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > >>>> ... > > >>> "being supported" !=3D "enabled by default". so no, i still don't = see any > > >>> requirement in anything you've cited that this be turned on=20 > > >>> by default. ... > > >>=20 > > >> you're right, but you know, before you claimed the contrary of what = was=20 > > >> voted and then decided to argue whether a 4 years old council decisi= on=20 > > >> applies or not here, my point was, and still is, that such council= =20 > > >> decisions make me think you're confusing what *you* want and=20 > > >> what *we* (as=20 > > >> a project) want for this case > > > > > > i see no significant number of people clamoring for this as the defau= lt. > > > the bug that started this has everyone on board for changing the defa= ult. > >=20 > > yes; I also tend to think fedora's usr move is what makes most sense=20 > > nowadays, but that'd go against council >=20 > No, it wouldn't. We made a decision in 2013 (I'll have to find it) that > separate /usr should only be supported via initramfs; there is also a > news item warning that if you are not using initramfs and you have > separate /usr your system will be unbootable in the future. Here are the latest council decision on the matter [1] and news item [2]. At this point, if anyone who has split /usr isn't using initramfs, they are operating on borrowed time. I would agree, since it has been so long, that we should do another news item, but once the news item is done and we give a firm date, I think we should just kill off gen_usr_ldscript. The /usr merge is a separate issue, which I agree with as well, but that was never brought to council, and it is controversial in the Gentoo camp because some folks claim fhs doesn't allow it. William [1] https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20130924-summary.txt [2] https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/gentoo-news.git/plain/2013-09-27-initramfs-r= equired/2013-09-27-initramfs-required.en.txt --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlcACP0ACgkQblQW9DDEZThj1QCeOaVpxScA/1vajeSJmHJ5xqKe TAcAnjnTXBjORQHO/9L8ZMGeSyS/5Jt2 =O+8U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU--