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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a
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On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 12:35:58PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > On Friday, April 1, 2016 8:33:02 PM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On 01 Apr 2016 20:00, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > >> On Friday, April 1, 2016 3:58:18 AM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > >>>> ...
> > >>> "being supported" !=3D "enabled by default". so no, i still don't =
see any
> > >>> requirement in anything you've cited that this be turned on=20
> > >>> by default. ...
> > >>=20
> > >> you're right, but you know, before you claimed the contrary of what =
was=20
> > >> voted and then decided to argue whether a 4 years old council decisi=
on=20
> > >> applies or not here, my point was, and still is, that such council=
=20
> > >> decisions make me think you're confusing what *you* want and=20
> > >> what *we* (as=20
> > >> a project) want for this case
> > >
> > > i see no significant number of people clamoring for this as the defau=
lt.
> > > the bug that started this has everyone on board for changing the defa=
ult.
> >=20
> > yes; I also tend to think fedora's usr move is what makes most sense=20
> > nowadays, but that'd go against council
>=20
> No, it wouldn't. We made a decision in 2013 (I'll have to find it) that
> separate /usr should only be supported via initramfs; there is also a
> news item warning that if you are not using initramfs and you have
> separate /usr your system will be unbootable in the future.
Here are the latest council decision on the matter [1] and news item [2].
At this point, if anyone who has split /usr isn't using initramfs,
they are operating on borrowed time.
I would agree, since it has been so long, that we should do another news
item, but once the news item is done and we give a firm date, I think
we should just kill off gen_usr_ldscript.
The /usr merge is a separate issue, which I agree with as well, but that
was never brought to council, and it is controversial in the Gentoo camp
because some folks claim fhs doesn't allow it.
William
[1]
https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20130924-summary.txt
[2]
https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/gentoo-news.git/plain/2013-09-27-initramfs-r=
equired/2013-09-27-initramfs-required.en.txt
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