From: William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: vapier@gentoo.org, aballier@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a sep-/usr by default
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 13:01:39 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160402180139.GA867@linux1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160402173558.GA620@linux1>
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On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 12:35:58PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > On Friday, April 1, 2016 8:33:02 PM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On 01 Apr 2016 20:00, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > >> On Friday, April 1, 2016 3:58:18 AM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > >>>> ...
> > >>> "being supported" != "enabled by default". so no, i still don't see any
> > >>> requirement in anything you've cited that this be turned on
> > >>> by default. ...
> > >>
> > >> you're right, but you know, before you claimed the contrary of what was
> > >> voted and then decided to argue whether a 4 years old council decision
> > >> applies or not here, my point was, and still is, that such council
> > >> decisions make me think you're confusing what *you* want and
> > >> what *we* (as
> > >> a project) want for this case
> > >
> > > i see no significant number of people clamoring for this as the default.
> > > the bug that started this has everyone on board for changing the default.
> >
> > yes; I also tend to think fedora's usr move is what makes most sense
> > nowadays, but that'd go against council
>
> No, it wouldn't. We made a decision in 2013 (I'll have to find it) that
> separate /usr should only be supported via initramfs; there is also a
> news item warning that if you are not using initramfs and you have
> separate /usr your system will be unbootable in the future.
Here are the latest council decision on the matter [1] and news item [2].
At this point, if anyone who has split /usr isn't using initramfs,
they are operating on borrowed time.
I would agree, since it has been so long, that we should do another news
item, but once the news item is done and we give a firm date, I think
we should just kill off gen_usr_ldscript.
The /usr merge is a separate issue, which I agree with as well, but that
was never brought to council, and it is controversial in the Gentoo camp
because some folks claim fhs doesn't allow it.
William
[1]
https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20130924-summary.txt
[2]
https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/gentoo-news.git/plain/2013-09-27-initramfs-required/2013-09-27-initramfs-required.en.txt
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Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-30 23:58 [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a sep-/usr by default Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 01/21] sep-usr.eclass: new eclass to hold gen_usr_ldscript and related logic #417451 Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 02/21] profiles: mask USE=sep-usr for most systems Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 03/21] sys-libs/zlib: switch to sep-usr eclass Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 04/21] sys-libs/pwdb: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 05/21] sys-libs/gpm: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 06/21] app-arch/bzip2: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 07/21] app-arch/xz-utils: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 08/21] sys-apps/acl: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 09/21] sys-apps/attr: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 10/21] sys-libs/pam: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 11/21] dev-libs/lzo: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 12/21] sys-libs/readline: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 13/21] sys-apps/keyutils: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 14/21] dev-libs/libaio: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 15/21] sys-libs/libcap: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 16/21] sys-libs/cracklib: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 17/21] sys-libs/ncurses: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 18/21] dev-libs/libpwquality: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 19/21] dev-libs/libedit: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 20/21] dev-libs/libpcre: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-30 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 21/21] sys-apps/tcp-wrappers: " Mike Frysinger
2016-03-31 14:05 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a sep-/usr by default Alexis Ballier
2016-03-31 16:07 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-03-31 17:00 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-03-31 18:19 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-03-31 19:09 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-04-01 1:58 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-04-01 18:00 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-04-01 18:33 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-04-01 19:36 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-04-02 17:35 ` William Hubbs
2016-04-02 18:01 ` William Hubbs [this message]
2016-04-04 7:12 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-04-04 22:59 ` [gentoo-dev] /usr merge Was: " Duncan
2016-03-31 14:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Gilbert
2016-03-31 16:08 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-03-31 17:03 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-03-31 18:20 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-03-31 19:13 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-04-01 1:56 ` Mike Frysinger
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