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[66.68.34.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm5957068obi.20.2016.04.02.10.35.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Apr 2016 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: (nullmailer pid 775 invoked by uid 1000); Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:35:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 12:35:58 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a sep-/usr by default Message-ID: <20160402173558.GA620@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <1459382320-20672-1-git-send-email-vapier@gentoo.org> <95d3d986-aecd-47f1-85c7-fd47be8ffd39@gentoo.org> <20160331160728.GH6588@vapier.lan> <1ca1fc7d-c610-4221-9a5d-91c829b2f635@gentoo.org> <20160331181952.GJ6588@vapier.lan> <28ef45dc-2141-4847-ab0c-26b1a5566063@gentoo.org> <20160401015818.GM6588@vapier.lan> <20160401183302.GO6588@vapier.lan> <31b4e590-44b6-44e4-b3ab-32b3f891f3dc@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <31b4e590-44b6-44e4-b3ab-32b3f891f3dc@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Archives-Salt: 8728f272-ccfe-46f3-b8d9-b8d54739de63 X-Archives-Hash: 479c204fec01e33a2969fba0583a509a --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Friday, April 1, 2016 8:33:02 PM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On 01 Apr 2016 20:00, Alexis Ballier wrote: > >> On Friday, April 1, 2016 3:58:18 AM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >>>> ... > >>> "being supported" !=3D "enabled by default". so no, i still don't se= e any > >>> requirement in anything you've cited that this be turned on=20 > >>> by default. ... > >>=20 > >> you're right, but you know, before you claimed the contrary of what wa= s=20 > >> voted and then decided to argue whether a 4 years old council decision= =20 > >> applies or not here, my point was, and still is, that such council=20 > >> decisions make me think you're confusing what *you* want and=20 > >> what *we* (as=20 > >> a project) want for this case > > > > i see no significant number of people clamoring for this as the default. > > the bug that started this has everyone on board for changing the defaul= t. >=20 > yes; I also tend to think fedora's usr move is what makes most sense=20 > nowadays, but that'd go against council No, it wouldn't. We made a decision in 2013 (I'll have to find it) that separate /usr should only be supported via initramfs; there is also a news item warning that if you are not using initramfs and you have separate /usr your system will be unbootable in the future. >=20 > > it's really no different either from the install process today: a stage3 > > cannot be unpacked & booted directly. a user must configure it before = it > > can actually be used. if that means enabling USE=3Dsep-usr, then so be= it. >=20 > except it adds yet another step >=20 > > there's no reason to force this legacy behavior on the majority of peop= le > > when a split-/usr is uncommon. >=20 > what's the reason not to force it? saving 10kb from ldscripts out of a 1G= b=20 > typical desktop install ? doesnt seem like a reason for disabling it eith= er >=20 --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlcAAvgACgkQblQW9DDEZTgdyACcD2qxe4LtbnmDLBHUVCSE9jBa KAsAoLUdszqpPXfeZzs2Adddlmc78ElR =MEFu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2--