From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3D31381DF for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D44A21C020; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DED0E01B5 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from professor-x (S010634bdfa9ecf80.vc.shawcable.net [96.49.31.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dolsen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1EAF53408C7 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 11:14:56 -0800 From: Brian Dolbec To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider Message-ID: <20160216111456.48dcd6cb.dolsen@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <56C3703C.30601@gentoo.org> References: <20160214203454.GF7732@vapier.lan> <56C0E7E8.9090901@gentoo.org> <20160214205038.GI7732@vapier.lan> <56c12b45.aa22b60a.9e156.4fd5@mx.google.com> <20160215102900.1693a1de@gentoo.org> <20160216174541.GA1450@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160216191240.5359430f@gentoo.org> <56C36BAC.3080602@gentoo.org> <20160216183531.GA1704@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <56C3703C.30601@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9442164b-d300-438f-b38e-dafbb744b09b X-Archives-Hash: 40e6126e97b12868166e8f1035f63308 On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:53:48 +0100 Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > William Hubbs schrieb: > > Maybe FUD is the incorrect way to put it, but I think us doing > > something about it at this point is definitely premature since =20 > > KDBUS is no where near ready to go -- they were forced to retract > > it a while back because they had to re-think the design. >=20 > kdbus got sent for inclusion in the kernel, and they were sure ready > to pull off their plan back then if kdbus had been accepted. >=20 > Whether switching to eudev now is premature is actually the central=20 > issue of this whole discussion. Given that dropping support for udev > on non-systemd systems was narrowly avoided once, and upstream leaves > no doubt that they are ready to do so once their redesigned kernel > message bus goes upstream, I say describing such a move as > "definitely premature" is not warranted. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n Thank you for bringing this information to the forefront of this debate. So, is it not better for us Gentoo-er's that wish to not install systemd, to set the default non-systemd udev to eudev. In that way, maybe eudev will get more contributed support and Anthony more eyes on things. It seems that unless kdbus is perpetually rejected by the kernel team... it is only a matter of time. So, I say, we've all had enough bickering about the subject. Time for a final vote! If we had all spent our time working on real problems as we've spent reading this never ending debate mail... but alas, this will be yet another item that must be decided by the council. --=20 Brian Dolbec