From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC761384B4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A17421C095; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from foo.stuge.se (foo.stuge.se [212.116.89.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50D7221C010 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10997 invoked by uid 501); 15 Dec 2015 00:31:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20151215003159.10996.qmail@stuge.se> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:31:59 +0100 From: Peter Stuge To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] repo/gentoo.git, or how committing is challenging Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <566DACB3.2010105@gentoo.org> <20151213222001.0c1c466a3f3b8b0b53c69a9d@gentoo.org> <20151213190045.1e186781.dolsen@gentoo.org> <566EA40F.5090806@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <566EA40F.5090806@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 69f7fba1-79b9-435f-844b-f310bcaf9c3b X-Archives-Hash: 612afe24adc30f14a32f08f745d71dbd Patrick, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Like seriously, every time I try to approach this set of problems I > run into enough stupidity Stop the silly complaining and help work on solving the problem instead. If you can contribute then do so. If not, your options are to hire someone who is, or await the day when a fix to your problem magically appears. :) It really is that simple. You mentioned that you use Gentoo professionally. This means that you have already invested in Gentoo and have probably planned to contribute to Gentoo. It seems that you have come across an area where you could contribute. If you choose not to that's perfectly fine, but since there is no warranty you really do not get to complain that it's broken if you're not helping fix it, and the tone you are using is certainly not acceptable. > why do we have documentation then when it's not adequate Because you haven't helped make it adequate for your needs. > why do we have a helper tool when it doesn't work? Because you haven't helped make it work the way you need. > ... and now I walk away for another week, in the hope that things > maybe are saner then. In my opinion that is the very last thing you should be doing. Open source only works when you take ownership of the problems you have. You are on the contrary saying that you refuse to own your problems, that you only want to consume perfect solutions that someone else has provided you. It sounds like something a spoiled teenager might say, and it is really not acceptable behavior in any open source project. Help fix the problem instead - as you initially offered to do. That's the very best approach! Everyone will be thankful and the world will be a happier place. You need to work on communication. Nobody will want anything to do with you as long as you continue to sound like a spoiled teenager, and once you change your communication style plenty will still remember you for how you used to be, but you have to start somewhere. It's simple. Stop complaining, be concrete and specific, and send patches. Thanks for your contributions to Gentoo, past and future! //Peter