From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F0E13888F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1483921C00D; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16478E07A3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (AMontpellier-655-1-282-73.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.251.34.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: aballier) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 74D64340AB6 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:13:34 +0200 From: Alexis Ballier To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] drop iputils from @system (i.e. ping) Message-ID: <20151015101334.663e3321@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20151015080853.GA90858@skade.schwarzvogel.de> References: <20151015033955.GJ4446@vapier.lan> <20151015080853.GA90858@skade.schwarzvogel.de> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 81648411-5a77-42e8-9bf0-255c766f952e X-Archives-Hash: 8d0d13a6fb3ce4615a72ba1490430c18 On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:08:54 +0200 Tobias Klausmann wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > iputils is currently in @system for everyone. by default, it only > > installs `ping`. do we feel strongly enough about this to require > > all systems include it ? or should this wait for the long idea of > > releasing stage4's instead of stage3's ? > > What's the gain? The package is tiny and it is one of the most > basic network diagnostic tools. When setting up a machine, ping > may be the only tool that lets you figure out why all the fetches > are failing. I think we should keep it, unless there is a > compelling reason not to (or when we get s4s). # busybox ping 8.8.8.8 PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=0 ttl=56 time=37.303 ms (bb is in @system afaik)