From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE923138CCF for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 11:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9A0CE08D6; Sat, 23 May 2015 11:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFA9AE0871 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 11:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (sloan0.ut.mephi.ru [85.143.112.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bircoph) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DA28340BE2 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 11:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:05:57 +0300 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail Message-Id: <20150523140557.d039becd8aeb985fd9c18c3a@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5550AE30.4060706@nerot.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Sat__23_May_2015_14_05_57_+0300_UXl.Jf2Cgp/A+j.6" X-Archives-Salt: fe677714-2bae-4c22-89e1-628f3b64e037 X-Archives-Hash: 382e798f386b07e63645db807d4d6cf8 --Signature=_Sat__23_May_2015_14_05_57_+0300_UXl.Jf2Cgp/A+j.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 23 May 2015 13:24:11 +0700 C Bergstr=C3=B6m wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Rich, > > > > If you are thinking of a FOSS email provider. Maybe investigate Fastmai= l? > > > > They use postfix and cyrus. And they also handle a lot of the developme= nt of the latter. > > > > Not sure if they would fit in with the rest, but I would trust them soo= ner then Google. >=20 > Trust? LOL - If by trust you mean the government can man-in-the-middle > attack them easily - then sure.. gmail always uses encryption.. does > fastmail force that as well? Google has a much stronger means to push > back short term and long term against government spying (snowden). Oh, really? If you have read materials showed by Snowden, then you should know that Google is already hooked to its deps by (at least) all interested us agencies. They have internal encryption? So what? They just gave up keys or provided direct access to depcryption stations or by whatever other means granted access to demanding us agencies. > fastmail would have to comply just the same and if you go back in > history - you'll see other providers who didn' t comply and the only > outcome was for them to go out of business... (happened once?) >=20 > social contract shouldn't be a religious contract - It's not like I > ever suggested we use something which isn't blessed by the pope. I > guess I should just be quiet since everyone has their own religion... Its not a religion, its a protection of project's freedom. If you don't care about freedom, that's your own personal right. But this doesn't mean that other people must gave up their freedom for the same of convenience of others. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko --Signature=_Sat__23_May_2015_14_05_57_+0300_UXl.Jf2Cgp/A+j.6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVYF8fAAoJEPZTWjO6HuSNZtAP/if2bQhmzNUCrM/sFiifZslL NL5edN+RYoixUjmJBZHLxS7ZnfcZI2LSHSVgLbJf6J2nvtyKhM9IcJIvagmF+qmm mEhBVVgsBcXKDg/Kky33TlpNpTQ+FbCjHznT+PQfoifk+31rNm0w5uAZtd3hmGFH bjrQE5kyCx+Mz3xV326u+gCd9r8viHstM8CcXuJCMVBtUTewqSsG5p+wtC2/PHa0 IKbpf6RoBsOaJulBT2e+hy5cRc2NRIv6upetyviBFAdlFhtakT2lzOnIOg7JBqYN VS5cSXq4NJujrrebQhNRBvM7Ux5iuf95uMTf+eTvCHfwq3P3oEwmHyPQb8+eJk18 i03bdiRsyxuMTuGoAG8zVX+LARkJmRTUcjpHjQDWxKxPbqJuUjQaomvyvfH6TwjG b9IiUguGzx+fJyZWsgXIg5KVlhmcxe080wQhrxu8nIgdqGzyipofoBylT20qDI1E DpSBUswW8CPDN20dxDEUCbL3fAm6A4YwLBAr8IqsaYqGYEAQUplPxNcE8FlQxsev IF0nZRrlF2K4TCUTmAEt1Nr6UBfpFI1Js/JHNGD3Py+lIXQ7jOYneizwvdMpTLNW /LbG7UGnx3uiBY5J0o5F49r7y6zwizXQpdJWYCFVWTpnLF+SexyW+MNiQBfZBZ0C xgR8Mn7aJdTRq5Scfw1n =dEKY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sat__23_May_2015_14_05_57_+0300_UXl.Jf2Cgp/A+j.6--