On Sat, 23 May 2015 13:24:11 +0700 C Bergström wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> > Rich,
> >
> > If you are thinking of a FOSS email provider. Maybe investigate Fastmail?
> >
> > They use postfix and cyrus. And they also handle a lot of the development of the latter.
> >
> > Not sure if they would fit in with the rest, but I would trust them sooner then Google.
> 
> Trust? LOL - If by trust you mean the government can man-in-the-middle
> attack them easily - then sure.. gmail always uses encryption.. does
> fastmail force that as well? Google has a much stronger means to push
> back short term and long term against government spying (snowden).

Oh, really? If you have read materials showed by Snowden, then you
should know that Google is already hooked to its deps by (at least)
all interested us agencies. They have internal encryption? So what?
They just gave up keys or provided direct access to depcryption
stations or by whatever other means granted access to demanding us
agencies.

> fastmail would have to comply just the same and if you go back in
> history - you'll see other providers who didn' t comply and the only
> outcome was for them to go out of business... (happened once?)
> 
> social contract shouldn't be a religious contract - It's not like I
> ever suggested we use something which isn't blessed by the pope. I
> guess I should just be quiet since everyone has their own religion...

Its not a religion, its a protection of project's freedom. If you
don't care about freedom, that's your own personal right. But this
doesn't mean that other people must gave up their freedom for the
same of convenience of others.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko