From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org>
To: "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:56:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140721225642.56aee8ed@pomiot.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201407212153.04605.dilfridge@gentoo.org>
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Dnia 2014-07-21, o godz. 21:53:04
"Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
> Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 21:37:17 schrieb hasufell:
> > afaiu dynamic deps are broken and not defined in PMS
> >
> > still... people seem to fix deps without revbumping, causing users who
> > either don't use dynamic deps (it's optional for portage through
> > --dynamic-deps=y, although it's on by default) or who use a different PM
> > to not get the fix, at worst resulting in broken dependency calculation
> >
> > suggestion:
> > * stop fixing dependencies without revbumping
> > * add an appropriate question to the dev quiz
> > * remove dynamic deps from portage (afair that is already considered by
> > the portage team)
>
> Actually the quizzes are pretty much clear on that.
>
> Revision must be bumped when the on-disk files installed by the ebuild are
> changed.
> Nothing about dependencies.
>
> This has been policy for a LONG time, and we're not going to change it
> overnight just because you protest.
This is not an argument. Just because we're doing things wrong for
a very long time doesn't mean we have to keep doing that. Especially
now that the breakage is getting much more visible with spread of
EAPI=5 and subslots.
> Now... whether dynamic deps are technically the right thing to do is another
> question. It merits discussion, but we need to be really sure about the
> consequences of any change.
Yes, it does. I'm not sure if it leads anywhere, though. Dynamic deps
are a pipe dream. You can't implement them properly, so we're using
half-working implementation as an excuse to be lazy.
Of course, the problem is that many developers just assume how dynamic
deps work. They don't know the details, they don't test it. They just
say 'I need not to revbump because dynamic-deps!' Then stuff breaks
because dynamic deps don't work. Or sometimes because they actually
work and the developer didn't think of them. Or sometimes because they
randomly start and stop working depending on the phase of the moon.
--
Best regards,
Michał Górny
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2014-07-21 19:37 [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps hasufell
2014-07-21 19:42 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 19:50 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 20:06 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 20:13 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-21 20:12 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 20:17 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 20:28 ` hasufell
2014-07-21 20:41 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-22 22:05 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-08-27 16:18 ` Jan Matejka
2014-07-21 20:49 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:01 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:13 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 22:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 21:11 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-22 22:22 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 13:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 21:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-25 8:36 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-26 12:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:33 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-21 19:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-21 19:55 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:06 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-21 21:15 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:21 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:25 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:30 ` Maxim Kammerer
2014-07-26 12:52 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:54 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:00 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:57 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 7:39 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 7:52 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-22 9:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 13:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-22 18:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 18:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-23 4:11 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 18:51 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 19:10 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 19:26 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 20:06 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 20:40 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 20:51 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-23 13:15 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-26 11:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-23 1:15 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-25 8:38 ` Duncan
2014-07-26 11:31 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 22:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 0:01 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-24 22:42 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 13:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 14:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 14:59 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 15:09 ` hasufell
2014-07-25 15:15 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:23 ` hasufell
2014-07-25 15:26 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:44 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 7:14 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-26 12:41 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:49 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:04 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:09 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 15:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 11:42 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-27 11:50 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:01 ` [gentoo-dev] Behaving productively on the list Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-27 12:04 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:07 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-27 12:26 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:06 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps Samuli Suominen
2014-07-27 12:31 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 13:11 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 11:54 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 11:57 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 13:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 13:47 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-28 6:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-30 4:45 ` Alexander Tsoy
2014-07-30 5:36 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-30 7:22 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-30 7:38 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-30 11:18 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-30 11:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-30 12:38 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-08-12 21:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 12:56 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-08-01 21:38 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Martin Vaeth
2014-08-02 5:19 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS Ulrich Mueller
2014-08-02 9:30 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:08 ` [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-23 13:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 1:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-25 15:01 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:53 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-25 18:26 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 13:29 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-25 8:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2014-07-26 13:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:32 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 13:16 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:46 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:53 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 14:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:11 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:22 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:40 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:51 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 14:30 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 14:43 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 15:38 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 19:31 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-24 22:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-25 8:51 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-25 17:15 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-25 17:36 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 17:39 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-26 17:47 ` Taahir Ahmed
2014-07-26 18:21 ` Taahir Ahmed
2014-07-26 13:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:46 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:01 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:09 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:14 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-21 20:56 ` Michał Górny [this message]
2014-07-21 21:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 21:22 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 22:52 ` William Hubbs
2014-07-22 0:36 ` hasufell
2014-07-22 9:42 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 19:42 ` William Hubbs
2014-07-22 1:05 ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-07-22 5:10 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 4:36 ` Patrick Lauer
2014-07-26 13:55 ` [gentoo-dev] binpkg (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 19:18 ` [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 22:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 1:34 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-07-22 23:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 2:05 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-07-26 14:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:29 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:18 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-25 7:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-22 22:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-21 21:52 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 7:25 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-22 18:44 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-22 18:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 23:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 8:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-26 14:12 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 22:43 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 7:16 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 10:16 ` [gentoo-dev] Avoiding rebuilds (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-27 12:19 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 13:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Avoiding rebuilds hasufell
2014-07-28 5:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 15:15 ` Brian Dolbec
2014-08-01 9:35 ` Steven J. Long
2014-08-01 20:49 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-08-02 13:19 ` Steven J. Long
2014-08-03 15:14 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 10:43 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 12:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:46 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:57 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-28 18:27 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 18:35 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-22 19:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 1:21 ` hasufell
2014-07-23 13:34 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 19:26 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-22 23:21 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 12:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 8:21 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-22 8:32 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2014-07-22 9:25 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-22 17:03 ` Sven Vermeulen
2014-07-22 17:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 17:32 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 8:33 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:36 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 12:14 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-25 21:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 17:12 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-26 19:21 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 19:30 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-08-12 21:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 14:25 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-08-12 22:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 11:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " hasufell
2014-07-26 14:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:22 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:33 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:40 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 7:46 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:32 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:27 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:29 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 16:10 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:35 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:59 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 16:02 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:36 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 16:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:39 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:05 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 16:14 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 16:34 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 18:36 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 18:42 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 16:27 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 14:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 14:42 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 14:56 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 14:59 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 15:09 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 15:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 17:02 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 17:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 17:16 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 17:24 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 6:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-28 8:26 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 9:28 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-28 13:12 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 13:29 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-28 18:50 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 18:57 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-29 7:33 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-29 9:12 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-29 10:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-29 10:47 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 15:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 15:52 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 16:05 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-28 4:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 20:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-27 20:51 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 20:56 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 21:27 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 21:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:50 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 21:54 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:14 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-27 21:08 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:17 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-27 21:26 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 21:39 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-28 5:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 22:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2014-07-28 16:29 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 16:44 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-28 5:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 14:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-22 21:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-25 5:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-25 22:09 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 5:21 ` Duncan
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